From payaremchuk at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 19:25:50 2006 From: payaremchuk at gmail.com (Perry Yaremchuk) Date: Mon Jan 16 19:26:34 2006 Subject: [Wing] RV Wiki In-Reply-To: <20051230095010.Q77025-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> References: <20051230095010.Q77025-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: Tedd, 'as usual' you are doing a great service to the homebuilding community. Even tho' I am not a builder yet, I want to take advantage of the huge amount of info and expertise in the RV community, perhaps even avoiding a few mistakes before I make them!!! The RVwikipedia is a bit daunting at first glance. I have registered and logged in, but am unsure where I would start my comments. The paint section naturally, but can I add a general topic like 'masking, graphics, registration letters, nose-art" or some such thing? I'm not on my computer daily, but would like to contribute when and where possible. Thanks in advance for your interest & support. - don't forget to work on your project!!!!! Perry On 12/30/05, Tedd McHenry wrote: > > There is a new web site that I hope will become of key interest to all RV > builders and owners. It is the RV Wiki, "wiki" or online encyclopedia > about RV building and flying. > > http://www.rvwiki.org/ > > A wiki is a form of web-based encyclopedia that anybody can contribute > material > to. Even more revolutionary, anybody can edit the material that's already > there. I have a more complete explanation of this below, including why it > works (when many people's first impression is that it can't). My main > objective today, though, is to encourage you to visit the site and, more > imporantly, to contribute something to it. > > Any subject that is relevant to RV builders or pilots is appropriate. And > each > of us knows something that fits that description, even if it's only a > short > biography of yourself as a builder, or a desciption of your project. > > It's very easy to start a new article or edit an existing one. However, > if you > don't feel comfortable doing that, just send the material to me and I will > post > it for you. I feel it's very important to get a "critical mass" of > information > there for the site to take off on its own. > > You'll find instructions on how to add or edit material here. > > http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Starting_a_new_page > > The RV Wiki was inspired by conversations I have had with Eustace Bowhay > over > the past five or six years regarding the information that's available to > RV > builders on the internet. Eustace has been concerned for some time that > there > is a lot of bad advice mixed in with the good advice in places like the RV > List, and it's sometimes hard for builders to identify which is > which. Eustace > and I have talked on many occasions about building a web site with > authoritative information, information that has been vetted by experienced > builders or bona fide experts in each field (engines, avionics, etc.) > > The only reason such a web site has never been built is that I have been > unwilling to take on the enormous task of finding these experts, > convincing > them to contribute material, and organizing and publishing the > information. > Although the wiki is not quite what either Eustace or I originally > envisioned, > I believe it will accomplish what Eustace wanted without requiring any one > person to deticate his or her life to the project. > > How and Why a Wiki Works > ------------------------ > > A wiki is a web site to which anybody can contribute written information > or > pictures. The best known wiki is Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org), a general > encyclopedia. > > You can go to www.rvwiki.org right now and publish an article on a subject > of > your choice, using nothing but your web browser. You can also edit any > article > that's already there. The idea is to have information that is written > collaboratively, drawing on the knowledge and experience of the whole RV > community. > > The first impression many people have of this is that it will produce > chaos. > But in fact that is not typically what happens. What happens is that > articles > evolve toward a consensus that is usually closer to the truth than any one > person's perspective. > > Naturally, as with all collective human endeavours, there will be people > who > defect from the project. They use the wiki to air their own personal > grudges > or grind their own personal axes. Sometimes, on Wikipedia, malicious > people > deliberately vandalize articles about subjects they have a personal gripe > about. We will FOR SURE have people doing that on the RV > Wiki. Fortunately, > experience shows that there are always more people with the maturity and > tolerance that collaborative ventures require, and those people limit the > damage the defectors do. > > I encourage you to visit the RV Wiki (www.rvwiki.org) and, even better, > contribute something of your own. Please don't hestitate to ask for my > help if > you have material you want to contribute but are unsure how to proceed. > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tedd at vansairforce.org Mon Jan 16 22:09:51 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Mon Jan 16 22:10:12 2006 Subject: [Wing] RV Wiki In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060116214026.A29696-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Perry: Thanks for your comments on the RV Wiki. It's quite easy to contribute to the wiki. My explanation below might seem dauntinly complicated at first, but if you follow the steps you'll see that creating a new article is actually pretty simple. If you (or anybody reading this) find it overwhelming, just write your article in an email to me and I'll put it on the wiki. The best and easiest way to start a new page is to create a link from another page. In the wiki, links between articles are nearly as important as the articles themselves, so the system is designed to encourage you to begin with a link to your new article from one of the existing articles. Let's say that you want to write an article called "Painting Registration Letters." Right away you'll see that on the main page there's a link to an article called "Painting," under the heading "Basic Construction Techniques." That seems like a good place to start. Click on that link and you're at the page on painting, which has a list of links to further articles such as "Surface Preparation" and "Application Equipment." Here's a good place for your link. At the top of the "Painting" page you'll see a tab labeled "edit." Click this, and you're taken to a page that has the raw text of the "Painting" page. At first this might look a bit intimidating, because it's in wiki code. This is a bit like the old word processors from the DOS days, such as Wordstar or Wordperfect, where you had to put tags to create bolding or underlining right in the text of the document. Wiki code can be complicated, but what you need to do to create a link is pretty easy. Basically, you can take one of the existing links, copy and paste it, and modify it to make your new link. For example, in the edit page for the "Painting" article you'll see this link. *[[Application Techniques]] This creates a link to the article "Application Techniques," with a bullet in front of it. (The asterisk makes the bullet and the double square brackets tell the wiki that the link is to a page within the wiki itself.) To make a link to your new article, all you have to do is copy this link, paste it below the others, and change the text to match the title of your article, like this. *[[Painting Registration Letters]] Now click the "Save page" button and you'll be taken back to the "Painting" page, but with your new link added. Click the link, and you'll be taken to a blank page with the title "Painting Registration Letters." Now you can click the "edit" tab on that page and start writing your article. Ultimately, there should probably be links from your article to other, related articles, plus photos, or drawings, and many other things. But just getting the basic article up there makes a starting point for other people to add and embellish. As you learn more about creating wiki articles you can always go back and spruce up your article. There is a wealth of information on creating wiki pages on the Wikipedia web site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_edit --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Mon Jan 23 15:07:23 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Mon Jan 23 15:08:00 2006 Subject: [Wing] RV Wiki Featured Article Message-ID: <20060123150620.X19753-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Rob Prior has written an excellent article for the RV Wiki in which he compiles information from many posts to the RV List on the subject of gluing canopies. http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Gluing_Your_Canopy As always, you are welcome to improve this article any way you can, such as by adding further information or pictures, or even just by correcting any typos you notice. You'll find quick instructions on editing an article here, http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Quick_Page_Editing_Instructions and more detailed instructions here, http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Edit --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing www.vansairforce.org tedd@vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Sat Jan 28 18:15:57 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sat Jan 28 18:16:14 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in 2006 Message-ID: <20060128181350.S51832-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> This year's Western Canada Wing fly-in will be held in conjunction with the Langley Fly-in, as in previous years. The date is Saturday, June 24. Details are on the RV Wiki web site, at http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Langley_Fly-in_2006 This page will continue to evolve as details of the fly-in become know. Hope to see you all there! --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Sun Jan 29 22:20:26 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 29 22:20:38 2006 Subject: [Wing] Classified Ads on Western Canada Wing Site Message-ID: <20060129221728.B30723-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Today I discovered that a change I made a while ago to the classified ad page on the Wing web site, to prevent bogus and pornographic ads from getting posted, was also preventing legitimate ads from getting posted. I apologize to anyone who submitted an ad that didn't get posted. I believe the problem is now fixed. Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Sun Mar 5 09:57:34 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Mar 5 09:57:56 2006 Subject: [Wing] Nelson Flight Fest -- July, 2006 Message-ID: <20060305095505.W7041-100001@strongbad.retrix.com> Here is a notice from Wing member Mike Freund about the Nelson Flight Fest on July 15. I think the Nelson airport is still under some threat of being closed, so I encourage you to attend if possible, to support them. Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If I know first flights in Canada was piloted by Ron Newberg - President of Canadian Aero Engine ....in 1996!! But in Canada 10 years after ? From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Mar 28 09:42:33 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Tue Mar 28 09:42:52 2006 Subject: [Wing] O-320-D2A For Sale Message-ID: <20060328094055.M64476-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> A local AME is selling a freshly-overhauled O-320-D2A (160 HP), asking $11,000. If you're interested, contact me off-list. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Apr 14 11:52:28 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Fri Apr 14 11:52:38 2006 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in Message-ID: <20060414114935.R10622-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Gus Funnell, from Van's, will be at the Langley fly-in again this year. As in past years, Van's is interested in knowing which airplane we'd most like Gus to bring. In past years we've had the -7 and the -10. Which airplane would you like them to bring this year? --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From rv7 at b4.ca Fri Apr 14 12:11:10 2006 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior (rv7)) Date: Fri Apr 14 12:11:17 2006 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: <20060414114935.R10622-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> References: <20060414114935.R10622-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <2d1b3c2f5d7a1aaba7e56522e120b167@telus.net> On 11:52:28 2006-04-14 Tedd McHenry wrote: > Which airplane would you like them to bring this year? The RV-12. :) Failing that, I'm partial to RV-7's. -Rob From gtm at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Apr 14 12:28:07 2006 From: gtm at interchange.ubc.ca (Graham Manders) Date: Fri Apr 14 12:28:14 2006 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: <2d1b3c2f5d7a1aaba7e56522e120b167@telus.net> References: <20060414114935.R10622-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> <2d1b3c2f5d7a1aaba7e56522e120b167@telus.net> Message-ID: I'd like to see an RV-9 or 9A since that is what I'm building :) Graham Manders On 4/14/06, Rob Prior (rv7) wrote: > > On 11:52:28 2006-04-14 Tedd McHenry wrote: > > Which airplane would you like them to bring this year? > > The RV-12. :) > > Failing that, I'm partial to RV-7's. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Apr 14 17:26:31 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Fri Apr 14 17:27:00 2006 Subject: [Wing] NW RV Fly-In Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: <20060414172542.C64024-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> >From Randall Henderson of the Home Wing: Fifteenth Annual Northwest RV Fly-In Hosted by EAA Chapter 105 / Van's Air Force, Home Wing Saturday June 17, 10:00 am-3:00 pm Scappoose Airport (SPB) This is the premier RV event of the Northwest, and typically brings over 100 RVs and rockets from all over the northwest (and then some). Formation flybys, Vans' prototypes and demonstrators, burgers, vendors, t-shirts, young eagles rides, and lots and lots of good RV cameraderie. More info go to www.eaa105.org or contact fly-in coordinator Joe Blank, jeblank@molalla.net. From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed May 24 23:03:12 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Wed May 24 23:03:35 2006 Subject: [Wing] Leo Roitner's RV-6 For Sale Message-ID: <20060524225900.D59274-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Wing Members: Leo Roitner has decided to sell his RV-6. This is a very nicely constructed and maintained airplane. You can see a picture and read all the details in the classified ad section of the web site. http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds/ Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Jun 2 23:12:13 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Fri Jun 2 23:12:32 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in Message-ID: <20060602231027.G84315-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Just a reminder that the Langley, BC fly-in is Saturday, June 24. This is the annual fly-in of Western Canada Wing. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ RV pilots, come on out and show off your beautiful airplanes. Builders, we have seminars and representatives from Van's to answer your questions. Wannabes, this is your best chance to view C-registered RVs west of the 95th meridian. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Jun 20 11:28:09 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Tue Jun 20 11:29:11 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday Message-ID: <20060620112658.S7164-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Just a reminder that the Langley, BC fly-in is Saturday, June 4, 2005. This is the annual fly-in of Western Canada Wing. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ RV pilots, come on out and show off your beautiful airplane. Builders, we have seminars and representatives from Van's and Demel. Wannabes, this is your best chance to view C-registered RVs west of the 95th meridian. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing www.vansairforce.org tedd@vansairforce.org From franz at lastfrontierheli.com Tue Jun 20 11:40:24 2006 From: franz at lastfrontierheli.com (Franz) Date: Tue Jun 20 11:40:42 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday In-Reply-To: <20060620112658.S7164-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: Isn't this a little late Franz guides@lastfrontierheli.com www.lastfrontierheli.com tel: 604 639-8455 fax: 604 639-8456 -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org]On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry Sent: June 20, 2006 11:28 AM To: Western Canada Wing List Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday Just a reminder that the Langley, BC fly-in is Saturday, June 4, 2005. This is the annual fly-in of Western Canada Wing. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ RV pilots, come on out and show off your beautiful airplane. Builders, we have seminars and representatives from Van's and Demel. Wannabes, this is your best chance to view C-registered RVs west of the 95th meridian. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing www.vansairforce.org tedd@vansairforce.org _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 From fvalarm at rapidnet.net Tue Jun 20 12:15:37 2006 From: fvalarm at rapidnet.net (B Tomm) Date: Tue Jun 20 12:16:24 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday In-Reply-To: <20060620112658.S7164-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <200606201915.k5KJFeqE023840@titanium.dowco.com> Didn't you mean to say "June 24" ? Bevan -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:28 AM To: Western Canada Wing List Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday Just a reminder that the Langley, BC fly-in is Saturday, June 4, 2005. This is the annual fly-in of Western Canada Wing. Details are on our web page, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/ RV pilots, come on out and show off your beautiful airplane. Builders, we have seminars and representatives from Van's and Demel. Wannabes, this is your best chance to view C-registered RVs west of the 95th meridian. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing www.vansairforce.org tedd@vansairforce.org _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Jun 20 13:23:24 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Tue Jun 20 13:23:58 2006 Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in This Saturday In-Reply-To: <200606201915.k5KJFeqE023840@titanium.dowco.com> Message-ID: <20060620132252.M89461-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> > Didn't you mean to say "June 24" ? > > Bevan Thanks for the correction, Bevan. Yes, that should have said June 24. From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Jul 12 09:43:29 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Wed Jul 12 09:43:55 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) Message-ID: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. Anybody got any ideas about this? Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 From: Mel Field To: tedd@vansairforce.org Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans Airforce for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new airplane, newly overhauled engine. We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the oil cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, and is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have been flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at 230 F since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the exit area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side alongside the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to the exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the cowling. That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside air temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of the entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. Again there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer outside air temperature. On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, magnetos and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air leakage from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With 80 F outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated the flight after 30 minutes. We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks like some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still using about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The baffle seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold install a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar exit duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to do? From guyb at shaw.ca Wed Jul 12 09:54:55 2006 From: guyb at shaw.ca (Guy Bourgeois) Date: Wed Jul 12 09:55:30 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <200607121054500.SM01568@GUYLAPTOP> Hi, Would be interested in hearing the solutions to his heating problem. Cheers, Guy Bourgeois RV7A with angle valve 390 (Finishing Kit) Lots to do yet! From del at deltech.ca Wed Jul 12 10:06:57 2006 From: del at deltech.ca (Del Schneider) Date: Wed Jul 12 10:07:08 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <002601c6a5d5$94e7bcb0$140fa8c0@Dellp> Just a couple of thoughts.... My engine is an Areo Sport Power O-360 A1A 1. When I received my engine I was instructed to use a non detergent oil for the first 50 hours or until the oil consumption ceased. 2. I was also advised to run the engine at full power (as must as was reasonable). 3. I then switched to Aero Shell 15W-50. * With this oil I experienced higher than normal Oil and Cyl head temps on climb out. * I tried a number of changes with not much effect. * I read as much as I could find on oils and then, * I decided to switch oils and went to Aero Shell W100 Plus and both Oil temp and Cyl Head temps have come down substantially. As you know the weather here was extremely warm over the last while and I am not having the problem. Del Schneider Prince George, BC C-GZVD RV6A -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry Sent: July 12, 2006 9:43 AM To: Western Canada Wing List Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. Anybody got any ideas about this? Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 From: Mel Field To: tedd@vansairforce.org Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans Airforce for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new airplane, newly overhauled engine. We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the oil cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, and is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have been flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at 230 F since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the exit area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side alongside the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to the exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the cowling. That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside air temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of the entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. Again there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer outside air temperature. On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, magnetos and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air leakage from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With 80 F outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated the flight after 30 minutes. We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks like some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still using about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The baffle seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold install a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar exit duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to do? _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca Wed Jul 12 13:01:51 2006 From: Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca (Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca) Date: Wed Jul 12 13:03:05 2006 Subject: [Wing] Bob Cutting/TCI is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/03/2006 and will not return until 07/31/2006. Please contact Wayne Christie if further assistance is required -------------- next part -------------- ----- DISCLAIMER ----- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and may be subject to solicitor-client privilege. 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Veuillez v?rifier la pr?sence de virus dans ce courriel. Toyota n?accepte aucune responsabilit? pour des probl?mes caus?s par les virus informatiques, peu importe la source. From mifreund at shaw.ca Wed Jul 12 17:27:02 2006 From: mifreund at shaw.ca (Michael Freund) Date: Wed Jul 12 17:30:07 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) References: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <001a01c6a613$108aa930$0201a8c0@D3L83491> In response to the heat problem I can add the following. I Have an IO-360 A3B6D 200 HP in my RV6A Eustace Bowie advised me that when I told him I'd put a 3" air intake to the firewall mounted oil cooler, to increase it>I increased it to 4" dia although with trepidation as I thought it would bleed too much air from the cylinder cooling.However it works fine and all cylinders still cool evenly. My oil temperatures range from 180 to 195 on hot days in cruise.On a hot day and a straight out climb to 10,000 the temp may go as high as 225 but will come back once in cruise to under 195.In ambient temperatures under 20degs I control my cruise temp at 180 having installed a butterfly valve actuated from the cabin to control air flow into the oil cooler. Mike Freund ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:43 AM Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) >I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. >Anybody > got any ideas about this? > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 > From: Mel Field > To: tedd@vansairforce.org > Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A > > Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans > Airforce > for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new > airplane, newly overhauled engine. > > We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front > injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the > oil > cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, > and > is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have > been > flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. > > We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at > 230 F > since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the > exit > area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side > alongside > the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to > the > exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the > cowling. > That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside > air > temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of > the > entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. > Again > there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer > outside > air temperature. > > On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, > magnetos > and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air > leakage > from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With > 80 F > outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated > the > flight after 30 minutes. > > We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks > like > some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still > using > about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet > seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. > > Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The > baffle > seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold > install > a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar > exit > duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 > Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower > cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to > do? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From rvinkster at shaw.ca Wed Jul 12 18:06:15 2006 From: rvinkster at shaw.ca (R Inkster) Date: Wed Jul 12 18:07:51 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) References: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <001701c6a618$8be9f770$6600a8c0@easton> I assume the oil temp sensor was tested for accuracy? (put in boiling water & reading should be adjusted for altitude, in Mel's case 3500 ft. ASL, should read about 206 degrees F) Ralph Inkster RV-7A C-GMMJ RV-6 C-GYBW soon to fly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) >I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. >Anybody > got any ideas about this? > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 > From: Mel Field > To: tedd@vansairforce.org > Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A > > Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans > Airforce > for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new > airplane, newly overhauled engine. > > We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front > injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the > oil > cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, > and > is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have > been > flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. > > We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at > 230 F > since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the > exit > area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side > alongside > the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to > the > exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the > cowling. > That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside > air > temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of > the > entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. > Again > there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer > outside > air temperature. > > On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, > magnetos > and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air > leakage > from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With > 80 F > outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated > the > flight after 30 minutes. > > We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks > like > some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still > using > about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet > seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. > > Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The > baffle > seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold > install > a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar > exit > duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 > Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower > cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to > do? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From kiwirv6 at shaw.ca Wed Jul 12 20:26:08 2006 From: kiwirv6 at shaw.ca (Barry Tunzelmann) Date: Wed Jul 12 20:23:02 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) In-Reply-To: <002601c6a5d5$94e7bcb0$140fa8c0@Dellp> Message-ID: <0J2B00KFZNXJ5D20@l-daemon> First of all ensure our guage is calibrated correctly. -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Del Schneider Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:07 AM To: 'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing' Subject: RE: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) Just a couple of thoughts.... My engine is an Areo Sport Power O-360 A1A 1. When I received my engine I was instructed to use a non detergent oil for the first 50 hours or until the oil consumption ceased. 2. I was also advised to run the engine at full power (as must as was reasonable). 3. I then switched to Aero Shell 15W-50. * With this oil I experienced higher than normal Oil and Cyl head temps on climb out. * I tried a number of changes with not much effect. * I read as much as I could find on oils and then, * I decided to switch oils and went to Aero Shell W100 Plus and both Oil temp and Cyl Head temps have come down substantially. As you know the weather here was extremely warm over the last while and I am not having the problem. Del Schneider Prince George, BC C-GZVD RV6A -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry Sent: July 12, 2006 9:43 AM To: Western Canada Wing List Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. Anybody got any ideas about this? Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 From: Mel Field To: tedd@vansairforce.org Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans Airforce for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new airplane, newly overhauled engine. We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the oil cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, and is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have been flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at 230 F since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the exit area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side alongside the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to the exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the cowling. That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside air temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of the entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. Again there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer outside air temperature. On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, magnetos and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air leakage from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With 80 F outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated the flight after 30 minutes. We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks like some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still using about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The baffle seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold install a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar exit duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to do? _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From reagleston at ibigroup.com Wed Jul 12 22:57:13 2006 From: reagleston at ibigroup.com (Ron Eagleston) Date: Wed Jul 12 23:36:41 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> References: <20060712094210.Y26864-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> Message-ID: <3BE65076-CCBD-47EE-AB97-6843C4590359@ibigroup.com> Thet type of oil cooler is quite important. Many RV cooling problems have been solved by a bigger capacity cooler. On my 8A (O 360) I installed a cooler from a IO-360 Mooney on the rear of the baffle. I have my cooler 75% blocked off, even in the summer (Vancouver) and 90% in winter and never go over 200 degrees. Ron Eagleston RV8A On Jul 12, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Tedd McHenry wrote: > I received this query from a builder who's having cooling > problems. Anybody > got any ideas about this? > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 > From: Mel Field > To: tedd@vansairforce.org > Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A > > Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of > Vans Airforce > for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in > a new > airplane, newly overhauled engine. > > We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a > front > injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts > with the oil > cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by > an AME, and > is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We > have been > flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. > > We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been > running at 230 F > since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, > etc., the exit > area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left > side alongside > the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about > 35% to the > exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of > the cowling. > That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher > outside air > temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the > back of the > entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi > effect. Again > there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F > warmer outside > air temperature. > > On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the > battery, magnetos > and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much > air leakage > from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable > change. With 80 F > outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis > terminated the > flight after 30 minutes. > > We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it > looks like > some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is > still using > about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are > not yet > seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. > > Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? > The baffle > seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we > cold install > a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another > similar exit > duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor > with a F1 > Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his > lower > cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but > what to do? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From vansrv4grvmj at btinternet.com Thu Jul 13 01:03:26 2006 From: vansrv4grvmj at btinternet.com (MARCEL DERUITER) Date: Thu Jul 13 01:03:42 2006 Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) References: <0J2B00KFZNXJ5D20@l-daemon> Message-ID: <000c01c6a652$d1d93540$d4f18151@DHCKJG1J> Hi All, The poster says in his original post that he's using 20W50 and is still using .75 of litre. This quite excessive. The problem is most likely lying in the fact that 20W50 is not a mineral oil. Lycoming advises the use of mineral oil, straight 80. Now beware, straight 80 is not the same as W80. Depending on the hours run since overhaul it might be advisable to pul the cylinders and give them a light honing as this sounds like the cylinder walls have been glazed over due to incorrect oil being used. Contact Mahlon on the lycoming list to confirm this opinion. Marcel de Ruiter N.Ireland de Ruiter Aircraft Services RV7 flying RV4 under construction empennage RV10 under construction most metal work complete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Tunzelmann" To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 4:26 AM Subject: RE: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) > First of all ensure our guage is calibrated correctly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] > On Behalf Of Del Schneider > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:07 AM > To: 'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing' > Subject: RE: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) > > Just a couple of thoughts.... > > My engine is an Areo Sport Power O-360 A1A > > 1. When I received my engine I was instructed to use a non detergent > oil > for the first 50 hours or until the oil consumption ceased. > > 2. I was also advised to run the engine at full power (as must as was > reasonable). > > 3. I then switched to Aero Shell 15W-50. > > * With this oil I experienced higher than normal Oil and Cyl head > temps on climb out. > > * I tried a number of changes with not much effect. > > * I read as much as I could find on oils and then, > > * I decided to switch oils and went to Aero Shell W100 Plus and > both > Oil temp and Cyl Head temps have come down substantially. As you know the > weather here was extremely warm over the last while and I am not having > the > problem. > > > > Del Schneider > > Prince George, BC > > C-GZVD RV6A > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] > On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry > Sent: July 12, 2006 9:43 AM > To: Western Canada Wing List > Subject: [Wing] Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A (fwd) > > > > I received this query from a builder who's having cooling problems. > Anybody > > got any ideas about this? > > > > Tedd McHenry > > Van's Air Force > > Western Canada Wing > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:31:50 -0600 > > From: Mel Field > > To: tedd@vansairforce.org > > Subject: Engine Heating Problems; RV-7A > > > > Hi, Ted! I wonder if I can prevail upon you and the members of Vans > Airforce > > for some sage advice on how to tackle our high oil temperatures in a new > > airplane, newly overhauled engine. > > > > We have an IO-360 C1C6, 200 hp, angle valve Lycoming, modified to a front > > injector setup and installed as per Vans instructions and parts with the > oil > > cooler mounted on the left rear baffle wall. It was overhauled by an AME, > and > > is rated by him as a zero time engine, though not certificated. We have > been > > flying it at 75% power so far to seat the rings. > > > > We have about 8 hours on it now. Oil temperatures have been running at > 230 > F > > since startup. We suspected that with the nose gear, heatmuff, etc., the > exit > > area was inadequate, so we added a second exit duct on the left side > alongside > > the original centered duct in Vans bottom cowling. This adds about 35% to > the > > exit area, with two 2.5" by 5" openings cut in the left floor of the > cowling. > > That helped marginally: still 230 F oil, but with somewhat higher outside > air > > temperatures. Next we tried putting a 1" flared lip across the back of > the > > entire cowling air exit in hopes of creating more of a venturi effect. > Again > > there was a slight improvement, but only enough to offset a 5 F warmer > outside > > air temperature. > > > > On the latest flight we had the blast tubes for cooling the battery, > magnetos > > and fuel pump blocked off; thinking that maybe there was too much air > leakage > > from the upstream pressure chamber. There was no noticeable change. With > 80 F > > outside air this time, the oil temp went to 240 F and Dennis terminated > the > > flight after 30 minutes. > > > > We can continue to fly it perhaps in cool air at sunrise, but it looks > like > > some modification is needed for nornal summer operations. It is still > using > > about 0.75 liters per hour of 20W-50 oil, so I guess the rings are not yet > > seated. How much difference that would make I don't know. > > > > Do you have any ideas about further cowling mods or other changes? The > baffle > > seals look to be OK and we know of no other "leaks". I suppose we cold > install > > a bigger oil cooler or a second oil cooler. We could add another similar > exit > > duct on the right side of the lower cowling. A hanger neighbor with a F1 > > Rocket (IO 540) said that he had to put louvres across much of his lower > > cowling to bring temperatures down. That seems a bit extreme, but what to > do? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Thu Jul 13 07:43:43 2006 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Thu Jul 13 07:44:05 2006 Subject: [Wing] Looking for Colin Walker Prop Message-ID: <20060713073902.V13746-100000@strongbad.retrix.com> RV owner John Bagshaw is looking for a replacement for his Colin Walker prop, which is worn out. It's a 69/69 prop with 7/16" bolts, for an 0-320-E3D 150 HP. He's hoping that somebody on this list has replaced their CW prop with a metal prop, and is willing to sell him the CW. Reply to the list or to me directly if you have one you'll sell. Thanks, Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Thu Nov 23 18:22:34 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Thu Nov 23 18:26:51 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection Message-ID: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> Now seem to be hooked up to BC RV site so here goes. I just started an RV7 and need some information on how far I can build the tail section while still allowing inspection. I am working now on the horizontal stab. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has experience with the inspection process and in particular any folks in the Fraser Valley. I am located at Pitt Meadows Airport. hope to hear from you soon Regards Gary From fvalarm at rapidnet.net Thu Nov 23 19:14:26 2006 From: fvalarm at rapidnet.net (B Tomm) Date: Thu Nov 23 19:15:02 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> Gary, I'm building an RV7A in Abbotsford. I built everything leaving one skin unriveted and then had everything inspected at once to save on costs. You can invite an inspector or another experience builder to give you an idea that you are on the right track. I had visited several other builder's projects and knew my riveting was going to pass. When it came time for the pre-close inspection, everything passed with no snags. Bevan RV7A canopy construction -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Gary Simatos Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:23 PM To: wing@vansairforce.org Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection Now seem to be hooked up to BC RV site so here goes. I just started an RV7 and need some information on how far I can build the tail section while still allowing inspection. I am working now on the horizontal stab. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has experience with the inspection process and in particular any folks in the Fraser Valley. I am located at Pitt Meadows Airport. hope to hear from you soon Regards Gary _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Thu Nov 23 19:56:17 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Thu Nov 23 19:57:44 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> Message-ID: <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> Bevan, thanks that is exactly what I needed to know. I just started about a month ago and was pleased to "almost" close the horizontal stab when i started to wonder about the inspection issue. I have moved on the the vert stab and going bac to the HS I now see lots of pretty nasty rivets so I may have to do some revisions regardless. I am building the 7A also, lots to learn but still excited to be starting this project, again thanks, G From rvinkster at shaw.ca Thu Nov 23 22:10:31 2006 From: rvinkster at shaw.ca (R Inkster) Date: Thu Nov 23 22:11:02 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> Horizontal Stab - If you cut a lightening hole in the inboard front rib, the inspector can see inside the area ahead of the front spar. Completely rivet skins to ribs & frt spar. Completely rivet rr spar together. Leave the rear spar held on with clekos till after the inspection. Elevators - Right elevator, complete most of the riveting except for an area near the inboard corner where the inspector can pry the skin up & see in. Roll the front edges & rivet after the inspection. Left elevator, leave upper inboard skin area & trim tab hinge unriveted so inspector can roll back skin. Trim tab - officially should be left open, but inspector can see work quality from other assemblies so I would just finish off completely. Vertical Stab- same as Horizontal, leave rr spar cleko'd to skin Rudder - rivet pretty much together except lower frt corner, enough so inspector can see inside, all critical rivets are visible from outside, roll front edges & rivet after inspection. Good luck on your build Ralph Inkster EAA Tech Counselor RV-7A slow build - flying for 240 hrs RV-6 plans build - canopy & FWF to do RV-7 quick build - tail stuff done, starting on the fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Simatos" To: ; "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > Bevan, thanks that is exactly what I needed to know. I just started > about a month ago and was pleased to "almost" close the horizontal stab > when i started to wonder about the inspection issue. I have moved on the > the vert stab and going bac to the HS I now see lots of pretty nasty > rivets so I may have to do some revisions regardless. I am building the > 7A also, lots to learn but still excited to be starting this project, > again thanks, G > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Thu Nov 23 22:56:11 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Thu Nov 23 22:56:26 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> Message-ID: <56BC48DF-1403-4A9A-818A-8447DB4E4CC7@telusplanet.net> Mt Inkster, thanks for info. I sure got a lot of help tonight from yourself and another RV builder in Abbottsford. i think i am pretty clear now on what has to be seen. i am told I need to register the project with the RAA it that right? Thanks again Gary im Pitt Meadows RV7A From rv7 at b4.ca Fri Nov 24 07:57:26 2006 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior) Date: Fri Nov 24 07:58:25 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <56BC48DF-1403-4A9A-818A-8447DB4E4CC7@telusplanet.net> References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> <56BC48DF-1403-4A9A-818A-8447DB4E4CC7@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <93ac520046e681a1458182eb76940828@telus.net> On 22:56 2006-11-23 Gary Simatos wrote: > Mt Inkster, thanks for info. I sure got a lot of help tonight from > yourself and another RV builder in Abbottsford. i think i am pretty > clear now on what has to be seen. i am told I need to register the > project with the RAA it that right? Thanks again Gary im Pitt It needs to be registered with the MD-RA (Minister's Delegates - Recreational Aircraft). You can find them at www.md-ra.com, I think you can even register your project online. MD-RA just does inspections, RAA works with Transport Canada to ensure that the regulations allow you to build and fly in the first place. -Rob From reagleston at ibigroup.com Fri Nov 24 09:10:50 2006 From: reagleston at ibigroup.com (Ron Eagleston) Date: Fri Nov 24 09:11:26 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> References: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <7EA86C7B-50E8-40C3-8FE1-D6E17DAE6CCE@ibigroup.com> Gary, I built an 8A, completed 3 yrs ago that I keep on the north side at Pitt. I left about 1/4 of one side of the skin u-nriveted so the inspector could peek in. Any area that can be seen reasonably thru lightning holes can be riveted. My home phone is 604 980 3490 (North Van), office 604 683 8797 (downtown). Regards, Ron Eagleston GRJE On Nov 23, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Gary Simatos wrote: > Now seem to be hooked up to BC RV site so here goes. I just started > an RV7 and need some information on how far I can build the tail > section while still allowing inspection. I am working now on the > horizontal stab. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has > experience with the inspection process and in particular any folks > in the Fraser Valley. I am located at Pitt Meadows Airport. hope to > hear from you soon Regards Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From mdeg at shaw.ca Fri Nov 24 16:08:58 2006 From: mdeg at shaw.ca (Marc) Date: Fri Nov 24 16:09:39 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> <56BC48DF-1403-4A9A-818A-8447DB4E4CC7@telusplanet.net> <93ac520046e681a1458182eb76940828@telus.net> Message-ID: <000601c71025$e7bcc150$7b00a8c0@IBM7AEEE107FF2> Re: online registration Does not work ! Have a builder here that did that and never did receive confirmation that a file had been started on his project... which meant delays on getting his first inspection done.......I suggest calling (and talking to a real person) and getting information and registration packet sent out. Marc DeGirolamo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Prior" To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > On 22:56 2006-11-23 Gary Simatos wrote: >> Mt Inkster, thanks for info. I sure got a lot of help tonight from >> yourself and another RV builder in Abbottsford. i think i am pretty >> clear now on what has to be seen. i am told I need to register the >> project with the RAA it that right? Thanks again Gary im Pitt > > It needs to be registered with the MD-RA (Minister's Delegates - > Recreational Aircraft). You can find them at www.md-ra.com, I think you > can even register your project online. > > MD-RA just does inspections, RAA works with Transport Canada to ensure > that > the regulations allow you to build and fly in the first place. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Fri Nov 24 16:53:06 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Fri Nov 24 16:55:19 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <7EA86C7B-50E8-40C3-8FE1-D6E17DAE6CCE@ibigroup.com> References: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> <7EA86C7B-50E8-40C3-8FE1-D6E17DAE6CCE@ibigroup.com> Message-ID: <5498DC6C-EA8E-47E0-9563-7A16BDCAD35F@telusplanet.net> Ron Thanks, I think that sounds like good advise and answers my question. I am doing an RV7. I am on the south side of Pitt #516. Drop by it you are at the field. I will hang on to your numbers if you don't mind I am sure this is just the first of many questions I will have. I have received several helpful comments form local RV builders really a big help when these things pop up. Thanks again Gary From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Fri Nov 24 17:06:17 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Fri Nov 24 17:07:22 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <93ac520046e681a1458182eb76940828@telus.net> References: <200611240314.kAO3EMcS096847@titanium.dowco.com> <0D015A50-0321-44C8-BE86-117677EADD98@telusplanet.net> <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> <56BC48DF-1403-4A9A-818A-8447DB4E4CC7@telusplanet.net> <93ac520046e681a1458182eb76940828@telus.net> Message-ID: <45A21CDA-534E-4D0F-B2D5-D15EC3132590@telusplanet.net> > Rob, thanks I will get hold of the "MD-RA" folks and get the plane/ > project registered Thanks for your help Regards Gary From taylor.rp at telus.net Fri Nov 24 17:34:53 2006 From: taylor.rp at telus.net (Roy & Pauline Taylor) Date: Fri Nov 24 17:33:57 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> References: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <45679DBD.8080906@telus.net> Hi Gary, The MD-RA man is Jerry Haliburton, 2469 Aviation Lane, London ontario. N5V 3Z9 Phone: 1-877-419-2111 Website: www.md-ra.com email: mdra@md-ra.com Hope this helps, Regards, Roy Taylor Richmond, BC Gary Simatos wrote: > Now seem to be hooked up to BC RV site so here goes. I just started > an RV7 and need some information on how far I can build the tail > section while still allowing inspection. I am working now on the > horizontal stab. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has > experience with the inspection process and in particular any folks in > the Fraser Valley. I am located at Pitt Meadows Airport. hope to hear > from you soon Regards Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From franz at lastfrontierheli.com Fri Nov 24 19:35:53 2006 From: franz at lastfrontierheli.com (franz@lastfrontierheli.com) Date: Fri Nov 24 19:36:32 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <000601c71025$e7bcc150$7b00a8c0@IBM7AEEE107FF2> Message-ID: <001d01c71042$d209c4d0$9473a8c0@toshibauser> I did register on line and have now finished the project. Franz Franz Fux Operations Manager Last Frontier Heliskiing www.lastfrontierheli.com phone: 1 250 558-7980 Box 1118 Vernon, BC V1T 6N4 -----Original Message----- From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Marc Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:09 PM To: rv7@b4.ca; Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection Re: online registration Does not work ! Have a builder here that did that and never did receive confirmation that a file had been started on his project... which meant delays on getting his first inspection done.......I suggest calling (and talking to a real person) and getting information and registration packet sent out. Marc DeGirolamo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Prior" To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > On 22:56 2006-11-23 Gary Simatos wrote: >> Mt Inkster, thanks for info. I sure got a lot of help tonight from >> yourself and another RV builder in Abbottsford. i think i am pretty >> clear now on what has to be seen. i am told I need to register the >> project with the RAA it that right? Thanks again Gary im Pitt > > It needs to be registered with the MD-RA (Minister's Delegates - > Recreational Aircraft). You can find them at www.md-ra.com, I think you > can even register your project online. > > MD-RA just does inspections, RAA works with Transport Canada to ensure > that > the regulations allow you to build and fly in the first place. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 11/23/2006 From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Fri Nov 24 21:00:52 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Fri Nov 24 21:01:27 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <45679DBD.8080906@telus.net> References: <33E30F83-2C79-403A-B7A3-1ABCF2FD4455@telusplanet.net> <45679DBD.8080906@telus.net> Message-ID: <0D548D9F-A0E8-4321-88A4-DB30FAA191E0@telusplanet.net> Franz and Roy thanks for your emails and info. I think I am pretty well all set getting the project registered with your help. I can see the Western Canada RV folks will be a great resource for me just starting my RV project. Regards Gary Simatos, Pitt Meadows BC From Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca Mon Nov 27 08:18:35 2006 From: Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca (Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca) Date: Mon Nov 27 08:18:52 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: <001901c70f8f$40fb00c0$6400a8c0@easton> Message-ID: You should follow the guidelines established by MDRA, not by some other builder. Your inspector will require that one side be completely open for inspection, NOT through a hole in the inboard rib. Contact MDRA for the full inspection procedure. BOB CUTTING MDRA Inspector. Pacific Region. R Inkster Sent by: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org 23/11/2006 10:10 PM Please respond to "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" To "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" cc Subject Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection Horizontal Stab - If you cut a lightening hole in the inboard front rib, the inspector can see inside the area ahead of the front spar. Completely rivet skins to ribs & frt spar. Completely rivet rr spar together. Leave the rear spar held on with clekos till after the inspection. Elevators - Right elevator, complete most of the riveting except for an area near the inboard corner where the inspector can pry the skin up & see in. Roll the front edges & rivet after the inspection. Left elevator, leave upper inboard skin area & trim tab hinge unriveted so inspector can roll back skin. Trim tab - officially should be left open, but inspector can see work quality from other assemblies so I would just finish off completely. Vertical Stab- same as Horizontal, leave rr spar cleko'd to skin Rudder - rivet pretty much together except lower frt corner, enough so inspector can see inside, all critical rivets are visible from outside, roll front edges & rivet after inspection. Good luck on your build Ralph Inkster EAA Tech Counselor RV-7A slow build - flying for 240 hrs RV-6 plans build - canopy & FWF to do RV-7 quick build - tail stuff done, starting on the fuselage ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Simatos" To: ; "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > Bevan, thanks that is exactly what I needed to know. I just started > about a month ago and was pleased to "almost" close the horizontal stab > when i started to wonder about the inspection issue. I have moved on the > the vert stab and going bac to the HS I now see lots of pretty nasty > rivets so I may have to do some revisions regardless. I am building the > 7A also, lots to learn but still excited to be starting this project, > again thanks, G > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing -------------- next part -------------- ----- DISCLAIMER ----- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and may be subject to solicitor-client privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete this email. Opinions expressed in this email are those of the sender and not of Toyota. Please scan this email for viruses. Toyota does not accept any responsibility for problems caused by viruses, regardless of source. Ce courriel (incluant toutes pi?ces jointes) est confidentiel et peut ?tre assujetti au privil?ge du secret professionnel. Si vous n??tes pas le destinataire vis?, nous vous avisons par la pr?sente qu?il est interdit d?effectuer toute utilisation, toute distribution ou toute copie de ce courriel. Si vous avez re?u ce courriel par erreur, veuillez aviser imm?diatement le soussign? et supprimer ce courriel de fa?on permanente. Les opinions exprim?es dans ce courriel sont celles de l?auteur et non de Toyota. Veuillez v?rifier la pr?sence de virus dans ce courriel. Toyota n?accepte aucune responsabilit? pour des probl?mes caus?s par les virus informatiques, peu importe la source. From gsimatos at telusplanet.net Mon Nov 27 13:38:58 2006 From: gsimatos at telusplanet.net (Gary Simatos) Date: Mon Nov 27 13:40:30 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Mr Cutting Thanks for getting back to me. I have had a lot of opinions how to keep the important structural items exposed for inspection and given what a joy it is to remove a skin AFTER it has been riveted your advice is especially useful. I am starting to recognize just how far I can go with assembly and still allow for inspections. You will see I have had some discussion with the Western Canada RV folks all of whom have been very helpful. I am in the process of getting set up this the MDRA for my project which will be an RV 7A. Thanks for your comments and I hope to speak to you again as I move forward with the plane, Regards, GARY SIMATOS PITT MEADOWS On 27-Nov-06, at 8:18 AM, Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca wrote: > You should follow the guidelines established by MDRA, not by some > other > builder. Your inspector will require that one side be completely > open > for inspection, NOT through a hole in the inboard rib. Contact > MDRA > for the full inspection procedure. > > > BOB CUTTING > MDRA Inspector. > Pacific Region. > > > > R Inkster > Sent by: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org > 23/11/2006 10:10 PM > Please respond to > "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > > > To > "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > cc > > Subject > Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > > > > > > Horizontal Stab - If you cut a lightening hole in the inboard front > rib, > the > inspector can see inside the area ahead of the front spar. Completely > rivet > skins to ribs & frt spar. Completely rivet rr spar together. > Leave the > rear spar held on with clekos till after the inspection. > Elevators - Right elevator, complete most of the riveting except > for an > area > near the inboard corner where the inspector can pry the skin up & > see in. > Roll the front edges & rivet after the inspection. > Left elevator, leave upper inboard skin area & trim tab hinge > unriveted so > > inspector can roll back skin. Trim tab - officially should be left > open, > but inspector can see work quality from other assemblies so I would > just > finish off completely. > Vertical Stab- same as Horizontal, leave rr spar cleko'd to skin > Rudder - rivet pretty much together except lower frt corner, enough so > inspector can see inside, all critical rivets are visible from > outside, > roll > front edges & rivet after inspection. > > Good luck on your build > > Ralph Inkster > EAA Tech Counselor > RV-7A slow build - flying for 240 hrs > RV-6 plans build - canopy & FWF to do > RV-7 quick build - tail stuff done, starting on the fuselage > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Simatos" > To: ; "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > > >> >> Bevan, thanks that is exactly what I needed to know. I just started >> about a month ago and was pleased to "almost" close the >> horizontal stab >> > > >> when i started to wonder about the inspection issue. I have >> moved on >> > the > >> the vert stab and going bac to the HS I now see lots of pretty nasty >> rivets so I may have to do some revisions regardless. I am >> building the >> > > >> 7A also, lots to learn but still excited to be starting this >> project, >> again thanks, G >> _______________________________________________ >> Wing mailing list >> Wing@vansairforce.org >> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > ----- DISCLAIMER ----- > This email (including any attachments) is confidential and may be > subject to solicitor-client privilege. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or > copying of this email is prohibited. If you have received this > email in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete > this email. Opinions expressed in this email are those of the > sender and not of Toyota. Please scan this email for viruses. > Toyota does not accept any responsibility for problems caused by > viruses, regardless of source. > > Ce courriel (incluant toutes pi?ces jointes) est confidentiel et > peut ?tre assujetti au privil?ge du secret professionnel. Si vous > n??tes pas le destinataire vis?, nous vous avisons par la pr?sente > qu?il est interdit d?effectuer toute utilisation, toute > distribution ou toute copie de ce courriel. Si vous avez re?u ce > courriel par erreur, veuillez aviser imm?diatement le soussign? et > supprimer ce courriel de fa?on permanente. Les opinions exprim?es > dans ce courriel sont celles de l?auteur et non de Toyota. Veuillez > v?rifier la pr?sence de virus dans ce courriel. Toyota n?accepte > aucune responsabilit? pour des probl?mes caus?s par les virus > informatiques, peu importe la source. > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From rvinkster at shaw.ca Tue Nov 28 00:24:06 2006 From: rvinkster at shaw.ca (R Inkster) Date: Tue Nov 28 00:25:06 2006 Subject: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection References: Message-ID: <005601c712c6$934166f0$6400a8c0@easton> I (the 'some other builder') stand corrected. In retrospect my response should have been to contact MDRA to obtain the requirements regarding inspections. In my case I conferred with an acquaintance who was an MDRA inspector, and was advised what & how much could be assembled before inspection. Turns out, another inspector was assigned & had no problem with the assemblies as presented. In your case, Bob Cutting's advise is the one to follow. Ralph (RV) tail between my legs... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > You should follow the guidelines established by MDRA, not by some other > builder. Your inspector will require that one side be completely open > for inspection, NOT through a hole in the inboard rib. Contact MDRA > for the full inspection procedure. > > > BOB CUTTING > MDRA Inspector. > Pacific Region. > > > > R Inkster > Sent by: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org > 23/11/2006 10:10 PM > Please respond to > "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > > > To > "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > cc > > Subject > Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > > > > > > Horizontal Stab - If you cut a lightening hole in the inboard front rib, > the > inspector can see inside the area ahead of the front spar. Completely > rivet > skins to ribs & frt spar. Completely rivet rr spar together. Leave the > rear spar held on with clekos till after the inspection. > Elevators - Right elevator, complete most of the riveting except for an > area > near the inboard corner where the inspector can pry the skin up & see in. > Roll the front edges & rivet after the inspection. > Left elevator, leave upper inboard skin area & trim tab hinge unriveted so > > inspector can roll back skin. Trim tab - officially should be left open, > but inspector can see work quality from other assemblies so I would just > finish off completely. > Vertical Stab- same as Horizontal, leave rr spar cleko'd to skin > Rudder - rivet pretty much together except lower frt corner, enough so > inspector can see inside, all critical rivets are visible from outside, > roll > front edges & rivet after inspection. > > Good luck on your build > > Ralph Inkster > EAA Tech Counselor > RV-7A slow build - flying for 240 hrs > RV-6 plans build - canopy & FWF to do > RV-7 quick build - tail stuff done, starting on the fuselage > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Simatos" > To: ; "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" > > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Wing] horizontal stab inspection > > >> >> Bevan, thanks that is exactly what I needed to know. I just started >> about a month ago and was pleased to "almost" close the horizontal stab > >> when i started to wonder about the inspection issue. I have moved on > the >> the vert stab and going bac to the HS I now see lots of pretty nasty >> rivets so I may have to do some revisions regardless. I am building the > >> 7A also, lots to learn but still excited to be starting this project, >> again thanks, G >> _______________________________________________ >> Wing mailing list >> Wing@vansairforce.org >> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- DISCLAIMER ----- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and may be subject to solicitor-client privilege. 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