From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Jan 16 11:26:12 2005
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:13 2005
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Message-ID: <mailman.0.1105903573.92979.wing@vansairforce.org>

it?

Tedd


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Jan 16 11:26:12 2005
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:23 2005
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different installations (engines, cowling, and exhaust systems). Without
doing tests in all or most of these installations (many of which would be
unknown to them), Vans would be foolish to state that  the part was
specified to provide a particular temperature rise.

Just my opinions.

Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-3
RV-6A




----- Original Message -----
From: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: [Wing] Fw: Fw: Carb Heat


> Does anyone have any temperature rise information on the 2" tube type carb
> heat (see below)
> Is this type of reply typical of Ken Scott?
> The implication being the manufacturer supply the specs, not the builders.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Scott" <kens@vansaircraft.com>
> To: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Carb Heat
>
>
> > Perhaps a carb heat probe?
> >
> > Forwarded by:   "Support" <support>
> > Forwarded to:   KENS
> > Date forwarded: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:26:01 -0700
> > From:           "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > To:             <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > Subject:        Fw: Carb Heat
> > Date sent:      Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:27:23 -0700
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions on how to determine the heating
> > ability of
> > this assembly?  Terry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > To: <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Carb Heat
> >
> >
> > > Ken, thanks for the reply,
> > >
> > > There is a requirement for Amateur Built aircraft in Canada to show
> > > that
> > the
> > > carb heat system is capable of providing a temperature rise of 90
> > > degrees
> > F.
> > > ( shown on AMA:549.13/2  15 April 1987  ) My concern is, is this
> > > system capable of providing that much heat, I really doubt it.
> > >
> > > My reason for asking about this carb heat system is because I am an
> > (MD-RA)
> > > inspector for amateur built aircraft in BC and I want to be sure
> > > that the system works properly. Last weekend I inspected an RV4
> > > built by ***** *******, it was the first time I had seen this type
> > > of carb heat assembly.
> > >
> > > Terry Elgood
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ken Scott" <kens@vansaircraft.com>
> > > To: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Carb Heat
> > >
> > >
> > > > It seems to work under most circumstances, but we have never
> > > > done formal tests on it.
> > > >
> > > > Forwarded by:   "Support" <support>
> > > > Forwarded to:   kens
> > > > Date forwarded: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:25:56 -0800
> > > > From:           "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > > > To:             <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > > > Subject:        Carb Heat
> > > > Date sent:      Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:54:13 -0800
> > > >
> > > > In your catalogue a carb heat muff is listed, it is a simple
> > > > assembly with what appears to be a 2" aluminum tube with a cut out
> > > > to fit over the exhaust pipe. Considering the small surface area
> > > > against the exhaust does this assembly provide enough heat, do you
> > > > have any test information showing the temperature rise above
> > > > ambient.
> > > >
> > > > Terry Elgood
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sun Jan  9 18:52:59 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
Message-ID: <20050109184832.P76742-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

I received a request from Kevin Horton, of the Ontario RVators, for spin test
results for the side-by-side RVs.  Apparently, RVers in the UK are having
trouble getting aerobatic approval for the type from their PFA.  They need
documented spin test results.  If you have spin tested your side-by-side RV,
and can document the results, please contact me.

Thank you,

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org


From acornyn at telusplanet.net  Mon Jan 10 07:50:49 2005
From: acornyn at telusplanet.net (Alan Cornyn)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
References: <20050109184832.P76742-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c4f72c$28edc7b0$1f00a8c0@OFFICE1>

Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only did it
once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an icreadble
rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said this
more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
To: "Western Canada Wing List" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Cc: "Bryan and Marge Carr" <b.m.carr@telus.net>; "GMC" <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>;
"Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:52 PM
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A


> I received a request from Kevin Horton, of the Ontario RVators, for spin
test
> results for the side-by-side RVs.  Apparently, RVers in the UK are having
> trouble getting aerobatic approval for the type from their PFA.  They need
> documented spin test results.  If you have spin tested your side-by-side
RV,
> and can document the results, please contact me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
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From tedd at vansairforce.org  Tue Jan 11 08:48:19 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
In-Reply-To: <000d01c4f72c$28edc7b0$1f00a8c0@OFFICE1>
Message-ID: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:

> Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only did it
> once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an icreadble
> rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said this
> more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.

Al:

I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case.  Van's
latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available at
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,

"We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than encouraging
them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended that the
RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6 Construction
Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin limitation
recommendations for pilots."

Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,

"For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include stall
entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from similar
attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry attitudes
and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with the
airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate.  With
satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
anticipated limits."

Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the contrary, he
specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics, and
provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with the
larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than those of
the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet experience."

I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry that the
airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme" catches
on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7, but then
I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with other
airplanes.

Tedd


From mifreund at netidea.com  Tue Jan 11 16:43:27 2005
From: mifreund at netidea.com (Micheal Freund)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
References: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c4f83f$bb5d52a0$f3abfea9@u4e8x4>

Thanks Tedd for making the correction regarding spin recovery.As I am ready
with C-GZGV to make the first flight I am particularly interested in this
issue.I agree with you it is important not propagate false information.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A


> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:
>
> > Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only did
it
> > once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an
icreadble
> > rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said
this
> > more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
>
> Al:
>
> I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case.
Van's
> latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available
at
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,
>
> "We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
> recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than
encouraging
> them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended
that the
> RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6
Construction
> Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin limitation
> recommendations for pilots."
>
> Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
>
> "For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include
stall
> entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from
similar
> attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry
attitudes
> and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with
the
> airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate.
With
> satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
> anticipated limits."
>
> Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the
contrary, he
> specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics,
and
> provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with
the
> larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than
those of
> the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet
experience."
>
> I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry that
the
> airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme"
catches
> on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7, but
then
> I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with other
> airplanes.
>
> Tedd
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing


From grizzlybear at klondiker.com  Tue Jan 11 18:16:13 2005
From: grizzlybear at klondiker.com (Jacob & Grace)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
References: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
	<001d01c4f83f$bb5d52a0$f3abfea9@u4e8x4>
Message-ID: <002f01c4f84c$b09a9460$82e7f7c7@D9PQ6L21>

I will be ready in a few  months, bureaucracy willing.

In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to satisfy them 
about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?  They want to 
confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?

Did you need something from Vans? (Like a letter)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Micheal Freund" <mifreund@netidea.com>
To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A


> Thanks Tedd for making the correction regarding spin recovery.As I am 
> ready
> with C-GZGV to make the first flight I am particularly interested in this
> issue.I agree with you it is important not propagate false information.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
>
>
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:
>>
>> > Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only 
>> > did
> it
>> > once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an
> icreadble
>> > rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said
> this
>> > more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
>>
>> Al:
>>
>> I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case.
> Van's
>> latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available
> at
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,
>>
>> "We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
>> recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than
> encouraging
>> them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended
> that the
>> RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6
> Construction
>> Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin 
>> limitation
>> recommendations for pilots."
>>
>> Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
>>
>> "For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include
> stall
>> entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from
> similar
>> attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry
> attitudes
>> and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with
> the
>> airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate.
> With
>> satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
>> anticipated limits."
>>
>> Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the
> contrary, he
>> specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics,
> and
>> provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with
> the
>> larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than
> those of
>> the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet
> experience."
>>
>> I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry 
>> that
> the
>> airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme"
> catches
>> on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7, 
>> but
> then
>> I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with other
>> airplanes.
>>
>> Tedd
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Wing@vansairforce.org
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>
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From rv7 at b4.ca  Wed Jan 12 08:22:04 2005
From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
In-Reply-To: <002f01c4f84c$b09a9460$82e7f7c7@D9PQ6L21>
References: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>	<001d01c4f83f$bb5d52a0$f3abfea9@u4e8x4>
	<002f01c4f84c$b09a9460$82e7f7c7@D9PQ6L21>
Message-ID: <41E54EAC.30305@b4.ca>

Jacob & Grace wrote:
> In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to satisfy 
> them about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?  They want 
> to confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?

I believe in Canada you need to demonstrate the manoeuvers that you wish 
to perform to a Transport Canada representative... I don't think MD-RA 
has anything to do with Aerobatic certifications.  Van has already 
published that the airframes are +6/-4G design, which meets the Canadian 
requirements for aerobatics.

Strictly speaking, you only need to demonstrate a loop, a roll, and a 
spin, as all other manoeuvers are just combinations thereof.

-Rob

From rv6capt at pacificcoast.net  Wed Jan 12 08:29:23 2005
From: rv6capt at pacificcoast.net (Norman Younie)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
In-Reply-To: <41E54EAC.30305@b4.ca>
References: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>	<001d01c4f83f$bb5d52a0$f3abfea9@u4e8x4>	<002f01c4f84c$b09a9460$82e7f7c7@D9PQ6L21>
	<41E54EAC.30305@b4.ca>
Message-ID: <41E55063.50505@pacificcoast.net>

When I had the restrictions removed from my RV-6 and RV-7 I had to go 
out and perform the maneuvers that I wanted to do. Record it in the log 
book that there were no adverse effects to the plane and show the log to 
TC. They then issued a new C of A. Plus they extracted some money from me.

Rob Prior wrote:

> Jacob & Grace wrote:
>
>> In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to 
>> satisfy them about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?  
>> They want to confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?
>
>
> I believe in Canada you need to demonstrate the manoeuvers that you 
> wish to perform to a Transport Canada representative... I don't think 
> MD-RA has anything to do with Aerobatic certifications.  Van has 
> already published that the airframes are +6/-4G design, which meets 
> the Canadian requirements for aerobatics.
>
> Strictly speaking, you only need to demonstrate a loop, a roll, and a 
> spin, as all other manoeuvers are just combinations thereof.
>
> -Rob
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From gwcgwc at videotron.ca  Wed Jan 12 19:01:04 2005
From: gwcgwc at videotron.ca (gerald conrad)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:30 2005
Subject: [Wing] Re: Wing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1
References: <200501121630.j0CGUY2F044082@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <005701c4f91c$2286b2f0$9c413644@Gerry>

Tedd:
    This is the forum msg that came today, Jan12/2005.
Gerald Conrad
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Wing Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1


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>   1. RE: Tools For Sale (Hamilton McClymont)
>   2. RV-6 Kit For Sale (gerald conrad)
>   3. RV-4 Project Wanted (Tedd McHenry)
>   4. 24 Years of the RVator (Tedd McHenry)
>   5. Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Tedd McHenry)
>   6. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Alan Cornyn)
>   7. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Tedd McHenry)
>   8. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Micheal Freund)
>   9. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Jacob & Grace)
>  10. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Rob Prior)
>  11. Re: Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A (Norman Younie)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:41:25 -0700
> From: "Hamilton McClymont" <ham@hammcc.com>
> Subject: RE: [Wing] Tools For Sale
> To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <000101c49e91$6adbe920$603ffea9@Lamont>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Tedd:
>
> I appreciate you giving me a preview heads up on this.  I've passed it
> on to Pete Marshall.
>
> Ham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
> [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
> Sent: September 19, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: Western Canada Wing List
> Subject: [Wing] Tools For Sale
>
>
> This is from the Ontariorvators list.  The tools are in Milton, Ontario.
> This looks like a good collection for someone starting an RV project.
> Are is selling the tools because he is moving overseas.
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:44:48 -0400
> From: gerald conrad <gwcgwc@videotron.ca>
> Subject: [Wing] RV-6 Kit For Sale
> To: wing@vansairforce.org
> Message-ID: <005101c4a4fc$bd3dbbf0$44764645@Gerry>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
>
> RV-6 Kit For Sale. Empennage 5% done, Wings 20%, Fuselage & Finishing 0%. 
> Slow build.  Tip up canopy. Dynafocal engine mount.  $15,600 Canadian. 
> Reply off line. Pictures available.
>
>      Gerry Conrad
>      Montreal
>      RV-6A ...50 hrs
>      RV-6 kit
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:49:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Subject: [Wing] RV-4 Project Wanted
> To: Western Canada Wing List <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <20041012104752.N41066-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I have a friend who's looking for an RV-4 project to finish.  If you have, 
> or
> know of, a project that's for sale, please contact me off-list.
>
> He's also looking for an O-235 for another project.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:19:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Subject: [Wing] 24 Years of the RVator
> To: Western Canada Wing List <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <20041130100259.D96749-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> The latest Years of the RVator book, 24 Years of the RVator, is now 
> available.
> Susan and I edited this edition, and we're quite proud of how it turned 
> out.
>
> The book is an authorized collection of technical articles from Van's
> newsletter, the RVator.  If you're building an RV, or planning to, you may 
> find
> it very helpful.  It's available for US$29.95 from,
>
> Van's Aircraft:
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1100705322-128-81&browse=videos&product=24yrs
>
> Builder's Bookstore:
> http://www.buildersbooks.com/24_years_of_the_rvator_vans_.htm
>
> Kitplanes Bookstore:
> http://www.kitplanesbooks.com/24_years_of_the_rvator_vans_.htm
>
> or by donating US$90 or more to the Matronics RV List listserver:
> https://matronics.com/contribution/checksupport.2004.html
>
> There are hundreds of articles, complete with photos and illustrations, on 
> all
> apsects of RV building and flying, from selecting tools to test flying,
> aerobatics, and formation.  Many of the articles are by Van himself, or 
> other
> members of the Van's engineering and production staff.  Others are 
> contributed
> by builders, sharing their tips and techniques for building or customizing
> their RVs.
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:52:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: Western Canada Wing List <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Cc: Bryan and Marge Carr <b.m.carr@telus.net>, GMC <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>,
> Scott Jackson <jayeandscott@telus.net>
> Message-ID: <20050109184832.P76742-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> I received a request from Kevin Horton, of the Ontario RVators, for spin 
> test
> results for the side-by-side RVs.  Apparently, RVers in the UK are having
> trouble getting aerobatic approval for the type from their PFA.  They need
> documented spin test results.  If you have spin tested your side-by-side 
> RV,
> and can document the results, please contact me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:50:49 -0700
> From: "Alan Cornyn" <acornyn@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <000d01c4f72c$28edc7b0$1f00a8c0@OFFICE1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only did 
> it
> once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an icreadble
> rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said 
> this
> more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> To: "Western Canada Wing List" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Cc: "Bryan and Marge Carr" <b.m.carr@telus.net>; "GMC" <gmcnutt@shaw.ca>;
> "Scott Jackson" <jayeandscott@telus.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:52 PM
> Subject: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
>
>
>> I received a request from Kevin Horton, of the Ontario RVators, for spin
> test
>> results for the side-by-side RVs.  Apparently, RVers in the UK are having
>> trouble getting aerobatic approval for the type from their PFA.  They 
>> need
>> documented spin test results.  If you have spin tested your side-by-side
> RV,
>> and can document the results, please contact me.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Tedd
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Tedd McHenry
>> Van's Air Force
>> Western Canada Wing
>> tedd@vansairforce.org
>> www.vansairforce.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wing mailing list
>> Wing@vansairforce.org
>> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:48:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <20050111082018.U21980-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:
>
>> Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only did 
>> it
>> once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an icreadble
>> rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said 
>> this
>> more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
>
> Al:
>
> I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case. 
> Van's
> latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available 
> at
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,
>
> "We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
> recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than 
> encouraging
> them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended 
> that the
> RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6 
> Construction
> Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin limitation
> recommendations for pilots."
>
> Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
>
> "For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include 
> stall
> entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from 
> similar
> attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry 
> attitudes
> and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with 
> the
> airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate. 
> With
> satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
> anticipated limits."
>
> Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the 
> contrary, he
> specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics, 
> and
> provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with 
> the
> larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than 
> those of
> the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet 
> experience."
>
> I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry that 
> the
> airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme" 
> catches
> on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7, but 
> then
> I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with other
> airplanes.
>
> Tedd
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 16:43:27 -0800
> From: "Micheal Freund" <mifreund@netidea.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <001d01c4f83f$bb5d52a0$f3abfea9@u4e8x4>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks Tedd for making the correction regarding spin recovery.As I am 
> ready
> with C-GZGV to make the first flight I am particularly interested in this
> issue.I agree with you it is important not propagate false information.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
>
>
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:
>>
>> > Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only 
>> > did
> it
>> > once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an
> icreadble
>> > rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said
> this
>> > more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
>>
>> Al:
>>
>> I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case.
> Van's
>> latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is available
> at
>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,
>>
>> "We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
>> recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than
> encouraging
>> them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended
> that the
>> RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6
> Construction
>> Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin 
>> limitation
>> recommendations for pilots."
>>
>> Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
>>
>> "For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include
> stall
>> entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from
> similar
>> attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry
> attitudes
>> and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with
> the
>> airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be moderate.
> With
>> satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
>> anticipated limits."
>>
>> Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the
> contrary, he
>> specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on aerobatics,
> and
>> provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with
> the
>> larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than
> those of
>> the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet
> experience."
>>
>> I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry 
>> that
> the
>> airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme"
> catches
>> on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7, 
>> but
> then
>> I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with other
>> airplanes.
>>
>> Tedd
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wing mailing list
>> Wing@vansairforce.org
>> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:16:13 -0800
> From: "Jacob & Grace" <grizzlybear@klondiker.com>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <002f01c4f84c$b09a9460$82e7f7c7@D9PQ6L21>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I will be ready in a few  months, bureaucracy willing.
>
> In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to satisfy 
> them
> about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?  They want to
> confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?
>
> Did you need something from Vans? (Like a letter)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Micheal Freund" <mifreund@netidea.com>
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
>
>
>> Thanks Tedd for making the correction regarding spin recovery.As I am
>> ready
>> with C-GZGV to make the first flight I am particularly interested in this
>> issue.I agree with you it is important not propagate false information.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
>> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Alan Cornyn wrote:
>>>
>>> > Van strongly reccommends not ever spinning an RV-6.  He said he only
>>> > did
>> it
>>> > once and hired someone else to do the testing.  They spin at an
>> icreadble
>>> > rate of speed, but they do recover using usual technique.  He has said
>> this
>>> > more than once in the RVator.   Al  RV-6 flying 400 hours.
>>>
>>> Al:
>>>
>>> I appreciate the desire for caution, but you've overstated Van's case.
>> Van's
>>> latest word on the subject is Service Bulletin 02-6-1, which is 
>>> available
>> at
>>> http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb02-6-1.pdf.  In it he says,
>>>
>>> "We chose to recommend that RV-6 pilots concentrate on learning spin
>>> recognition, immediate recovery, and spin avoidance rather than
>> encouraging
>>> them to explore the limits of spin recoverability. We also recommended
>> that the
>>> RV-6 not be used for recreational spins. Section 15 of the RV-6
>> Construction
>>> Manual details spin testing, spin recovery techniques, and spin
>>> limitation
>>> recommendations for pilots."
>>>
>>> Section 15 of the RV-6 construction manual says,
>>>
>>> "For the pilot anticipating aerobatic use of his RV-6, this will include
>> stall
>>> entries from steep pitch angles and banks, and accelerated stalls from
>> similar
>>> attidudes.  Similarly, spins should be practiced from various entry
>> attitudes
>>> and power settings.  Obviously, initial spin testing should be done with
>> the
>>> airplane loaded to a forward C.G. and entry attitudes should be 
>>> moderate.
>> With
>>> satisfactory recovery, loading and entry attidudes can be increased to
>>> anticipated limits."
>>>
>>> Clearly, Van is not recommending never spinning the RV-6.  To the
>> contrary, he
>>> specifically recommends spin testing for builders who plan on 
>>> aerobatics,
>> and
>>> provides some detail on how to accomplish it.  Van also says that, with
>> the
>>> larger tail, "RV-7 spin recovery qualities are equal to or better than
>> those of
>>> the standard RV-6/6A, which have been service proven through fleet
>> experience."
>>>
>>> I hear a lot of loose talk about RV spin characteristics, and I worry
>>> that
>> the
>>> airplanes are getting a wholly undeserved reputation.  If that "meme"
>> catches
>>> on it will cause us grief down the road.  "I was going to buy an RV-7,
>>> but
>> then
>>> I heard about the spin characteristics."  We've seen it before with 
>>> other
>>> airplanes.
>>>
>>> Tedd
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wing mailing list
>>> Wing@vansairforce.org
>>> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wing mailing list
>> Wing@vansairforce.org
>> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:22:04 -0800
> From: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <41E54EAC.30305@b4.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> Jacob & Grace wrote:
>> In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to satisfy
>> them about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?  They want
>> to confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?
>
> I believe in Canada you need to demonstrate the manoeuvers that you wish
> to perform to a Transport Canada representative... I don't think MD-RA
> has anything to do with Aerobatic certifications.  Van has already
> published that the airframes are +6/-4G design, which meets the Canadian
> requirements for aerobatics.
>
> Strictly speaking, you only need to demonstrate a loop, a roll, and a
> spin, as all other manoeuvers are just combinations thereof.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:29:23 +0000
> From: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Spin Testing: RV-6/6A or RV-7/7A
> To: rv7@b4.ca, "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing"
> <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <41E55063.50505@pacificcoast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> When I had the restrictions removed from my RV-6 and RV-7 I had to go
> out and perform the maneuvers that I wanted to do. Record it in the log
> book that there were no adverse effects to the plane and show the log to
> TC. They then issued a new C of A. Plus they extracted some money from me.
>
> Rob Prior wrote:
>
>> Jacob & Grace wrote:
>>
>>> In the MDRA list of requirements they refer to certification to
>>> satisfy them about the aircraft conformity and aerobatic capability?
>>> They want to confirm the design limits but doesn't say how?
>>
>>
>> I believe in Canada you need to demonstrate the manoeuvers that you
>> wish to perform to a Transport Canada representative... I don't think
>> MD-RA has anything to do with Aerobatic certifications.  Van has
>> already published that the airframes are +6/-4G design, which meets
>> the Canadian requirements for aerobatics.
>>
>> Strictly speaking, you only need to demonstrate a loop, a roll, and a
>> spin, as all other manoeuvers are just combinations thereof.
>>
>> -Rob
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wing mailing list
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>> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>>
>>
>
>
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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Jan 16 11:26:12 2005
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:32 2005
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1105903592.92979.wing@vansairforce.org>

it?

Tedd


From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Jan 16 11:26:12 2005
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:41 2005
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1105903601.92979.wing@vansairforce.org>

different installations (engines, cowling, and exhaust systems). Without
doing tests in all or most of these installations (many of which would be
unknown to them), Vans would be foolish to state that  the part was
specified to provide a particular temperature rise.

Just my opinions.

Jim Oke
Winnipeg, MB
RV-3
RV-6A




----- Original Message -----
From: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: [Wing] Fw: Fw: Carb Heat


> Does anyone have any temperature rise information on the 2" tube type carb
> heat (see below)
> Is this type of reply typical of Ken Scott?
> The implication being the manufacturer supply the specs, not the builders.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Scott" <kens@vansaircraft.com>
> To: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: Carb Heat
>
>
> > Perhaps a carb heat probe?
> >
> > Forwarded by:   "Support" <support>
> > Forwarded to:   KENS
> > Date forwarded: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:26:01 -0700
> > From:           "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > To:             <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > Subject:        Fw: Carb Heat
> > Date sent:      Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:27:23 -0700
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions on how to determine the heating
> > ability of
> > this assembly?  Terry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > To: <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 6:03 PM
> > Subject: Fw: Carb Heat
> >
> >
> > > Ken, thanks for the reply,
> > >
> > > There is a requirement for Amateur Built aircraft in Canada to show
> > > that
> > the
> > > carb heat system is capable of providing a temperature rise of 90
> > > degrees
> > F.
> > > ( shown on AMA:549.13/2  15 April 1987  ) My concern is, is this
> > > system capable of providing that much heat, I really doubt it.
> > >
> > > My reason for asking about this carb heat system is because I am an
> > (MD-RA)
> > > inspector for amateur built aircraft in BC and I want to be sure
> > > that the system works properly. Last weekend I inspected an RV4
> > > built by ***** *******, it was the first time I had seen this type
> > > of carb heat assembly.
> > >
> > > Terry Elgood
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ken Scott" <kens@vansaircraft.com>
> > > To: "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:27 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Carb Heat
> > >
> > >
> > > > It seems to work under most circumstances, but we have never
> > > > done formal tests on it.
> > > >
> > > > Forwarded by:   "Support" <support>
> > > > Forwarded to:   kens
> > > > Date forwarded: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 06:25:56 -0800
> > > > From:           "T&M Elgood" <elgood@aebc.com>
> > > > To:             <info@vansaircraft.com>
> > > > Subject:        Carb Heat
> > > > Date sent:      Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:54:13 -0800
> > > >
> > > > In your catalogue a carb heat muff is listed, it is a simple
> > > > assembly with what appears to be a 2" aluminum tube with a cut out
> > > > to fit over the exhaust pipe. Considering the small surface area
> > > > against the exhaust does this assembly provide enough heat, do you
> > > > have any test information showing the temperature rise above
> > > > ambient.
> > > >
> > > > Terry Elgood
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sun Jan 16 11:44:03 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun Jan 16 11:44:09 2005
Subject: [Wing] Avery Tool Kit For Sale
Message-ID: <20050116114312.G98242-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

If you're a new or aspiring RV builder you may be interested in the Avery tool
kit that is for sale on our classified ads web page:

http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds/

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From gwcgwc at videotron.ca  Sun Jan 16 15:02:25 2005
From: gwcgwc at videotron.ca (gerald conrad)
Date: Sun Jan 16 15:02:40 2005
Subject: [Wing] Avery Tool Kit For Sale
References: <20050116114312.G98242-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <006001c4fc1f$71cb6f80$9c413644@Gerry>

Thanks Ted. I did reply on the tools + RV-6 Wanted.
Gerry Conrad
---------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
To: "Western Canada Wing List" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:44 PM
Subject: [Wing] Avery Tool Kit For Sale


> If you're a new or aspiring RV builder you may be interested in the Avery 
> tool
> kit that is for sale on our classified ads web page:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds/
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> 


From alame at shaw.ca  Sun Jan 16 19:10:05 2005
From: alame at shaw.ca (art)
Date: Sun Jan 16 19:10:18 2005
Subject: [Wing] Avery Tool Kit For Sale
In-Reply-To: <20050116114312.G98242-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4fc42$0b6906d0$c8284718@art>

Yes Tedd I did reply to the tool ad, thanks
Art

-----Original Message-----
From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
[mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11: 44 AM
To: Western Canada Wing List
Subject: [Wing] Avery Tool Kit For Sale


If you're a new or aspiring RV builder you may be interested in the
Avery tool kit that is for sale on our classified ads web page:

http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds/

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

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From mifreund at netidea.com  Tue Jan 25 10:27:40 2005
From: mifreund at netidea.com (Micheal Freund)
Date: Tue Jan 25 10:32:22 2005
Subject: [Wing] Nelson airport
Message-ID: <001501c5030b$91b4dc80$ae39fea9@u4e8x4>

The next twelve months are going to be crucial in determining the future of the Nelson BC airport.The mayor in particular and the council will be re-opening the OCP "official city plan" and reviewing specifically the waterfront  plan including the airport,with a view to closing the airport.The Nelson pilot's association will be mounting a concerted effort to save the aiport.In conjunction with this we are planning for the best Airport appreciation day possible on saturday July 23  2005.In addition to other groups we are contacting we are looking to RV'ers to get together to attend individually and/or as a group.Two years ago we had a flight of several RV's who did a fly past,and if this could be organized again it would be very welcome.We should like comittments for the above as early as possible to allow  time for the best possible oranizing of this event.Please contact me ASAP Mike Freund.
From ham at hammcc.com  Wed Jan 26 05:13:34 2005
From: ham at hammcc.com (Hamilton McClymont)
Date: Wed Jan 26 05:14:25 2005
Subject: [Wing] looking for a Canadian RV
Message-ID: <001101c503a8$daa9fe50$1e01a8c0@HAM>

I'm looking to buy a flying 4 (or a 6 if it fits the budget). Is there a
Canadian builder/owner thinking of selling?
 
Hammy
 
cell 604-728-2422
www.hammcc.com <http://www.hammcc.com/> 
 
 
From mifreund at netidea.com  Wed Jan 26 08:29:46 2005
From: mifreund at netidea.com (Micheal Freund)
Date: Wed Jan 26 08:34:15 2005
Subject: [Wing] (no subject)
Message-ID: <002c01c503c4$4091d6a0$e115fea9@u4e8x4>

In regards to the Nelson fly-in on July23-24 I should like say further to Rob Prior's comments.although the fly-in will not include an airshow.All necessary documentation covering a fly past will be in place.The permit for a fly-by is a seperate document from that necessary for an airshow
From brjaques at pris.ca  Wed Jan 26 17:42:14 2005
From: brjaques at pris.ca (Bruce Jaques)
Date: Wed Jan 26 17:45:48 2005
Subject: [Wing] looking for a Canadian RV
In-Reply-To: <001101c503a8$daa9fe50$1e01a8c0@HAM>
Message-ID: <AB9EB0A8-7004-11D9-90C8-000A95EC38EE@pris.ca>

I'm planning on putting my RV-4 on the market in the spring.

Bruce Jaques
Chetwynd
(250)788-5727

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From rv7 at b4.ca  Wed Jan 26 18:59:12 2005
From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior)
Date: Wed Jan 26 18:59:32 2005
Subject: [Wing] Special Flight Operations - Fly-By's
In-Reply-To: <002c01c503c4$4091d6a0$e115fea9@u4e8x4>
References: <002c01c503c4$4091d6a0$e115fea9@u4e8x4>
Message-ID: <41F85900.2060403@b4.ca>

Micheal Freund wrote:

>In regards to the Nelson fly-in on July23-24 I should like say further to Rob Prior's comments:  Although the fly-in will not include an airshow, all necessary documentation covering a fly past will be in place.  The permit for a fly-by is a seperate document from that necessary for an airshow.
>
I replied privately to Michael (or at least I thought I did), so wing 
members are no doubt wondering what my comments were.  I cautioned that 
a Fly-In could quickly and inadvertently be converted into an Airshow by 
the simple act of an aircraft or group of aircraft performing a 
pre-announced, or even an unannounced, fly-by.  There were a large 
number of fly-in's last summer where visiting aircraft were observed 
making low approaches by Transport Canada representatives.  Those events 
threatened to force TC to crack down on the regulations for simple 
fly-ins, threatening many small events across Canada.

My concern was that Nelson may be opening themselves up to criticism by 
some of it's detractors by encouraging the same thing to happen at this 
event.  However, it appears that the proper background work is being 
done in this regard, and the event will happen with the full knowledge, 
if not support, of Transport Canada.  I apologize if I caused any 
confusion or distress.

I look forward to seeing the fly-BY's at Nelson this year, and hope you 
can all make it.  Nelson is a beautiful little airport in one of the 
most scenic regions of BC, if you haven't been there I urge you to try 
and make  it out to this event.

Rob Prior
rv7@b4.ca

PS - The latest revision of the CAR Part 623, Division I - Special 
Aviation Events, *C*hapter One - Air* Shows is available at:***
**<http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part6/Standards/623d1.htm>
It was revised on December 1st of 2004.  I encourage anyone who 
practises formation flying in Canada, and attends fly-ins in formation, 
to read through it carefully.

(Note, in particular, that Transport Canada's definition of a fly-past 
is significantly different than that of a fly-by.  Those legal types 
sure like playing with words we all thought we were familiar with.)


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Wed Feb  2 14:19:25 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:20:19 2005
Subject: [Wing] Registration Lettering
Message-ID: <20050202141313.U65048-100001@strongbad.retrix.com>

George Balmer, who's building an RV-8 in Whitehorse, sent me this photo and
asked about registration letters on RVs.  He believes the letters shown in the
photo are slightly smaller than the regs require, and yet are still larger than
he would like.  Can anyone clarify what size of registration letters are
actually required for his RV?

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org
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From rv6capt at pacificcoast.net  Wed Feb  2 14:59:58 2005
From: rv6capt at pacificcoast.net (Norman Younie)
Date: Wed Feb  2 15:00:17 2005
Subject: [Wing] Registration Lettering
In-Reply-To: <20050202141313.U65048-100001@strongbad.retrix.com>
References: <20050202141313.U65048-100001@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <42015B6E.4000105@pacificcoast.net>

I believe that the letters on the tail or fuselage need to be 11.8 
inches high and under the wing 20 inches. It is in the regs under 
registration  marks.

Tedd McHenry wrote:

>George Balmer, who's building an RV-8 in Whitehorse, sent me this photo and
>asked about registration letters on RVs.  He believes the letters shown in the
>photo are slightly smaller than the regs require, and yet are still larger than
>he would like.  Can anyone clarify what size of registration letters are
>actually required for his RV?
>
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>
>Tedd McHenry
>Van's Air Force
>Western Canada Wing
>tedd@vansairforce.org
>www.vansairforce.org
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From bbaines at led.bc.ca  Wed Feb  2 15:01:58 2005
From: bbaines at led.bc.ca (Bill Baines)
Date: Wed Feb  2 15:08:24 2005
Subject: [Wing] Registration Lettering
In-Reply-To: <20050202141313.U65048-100001@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <20050202230812.ONBX7089.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@workshop>

See
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part2/Standards/222.h
tm section 2. I think it says 5.9 inches on the side and 19.68 (50 cm)
inches on the bottom, and 30 cm on the side when not displayed on the
bottom. There are some words in there that say that 3 inches on the sides is
acceptable for amateur built aircraft (with some conditions).

Bill Baines

-----Original Message-----
From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org]
On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Sent: 02-Feb-2005 2:19 PM
To: Western Canada Wing List
Subject: [Wing] Registration Lettering

George Balmer, who's building an RV-8 in Whitehorse, sent me this photo and
asked about registration letters on RVs.  He believes the letters shown in
the photo are slightly smaller than the regs require, and yet are still
larger than he would like.  Can anyone clarify what size of registration
letters are actually required for his RV?

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From elgood at aebc.com  Wed Feb  2 16:35:19 2005
From: elgood at aebc.com (Elgood)
Date: Wed Feb  2 16:35:11 2005
Subject: [Wing] Registration letters
References: <200502022221.j12MLFmL066839@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c50988$3e5c0f30$549011d1@home>

>   5. Registration Lettering (Tedd McHenry)
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 14:19:25 -0800 (PST)
>> 
> George Balmer, who's building an RV-8 in Whitehorse, sent me this photo and
> asked about registration letters on RVs.  He believes the letters shown in the
> photo are slightly smaller than the regs require, and yet are still larger than
> he would like.  Can anyone clarify what size of registration letters are
> actually required for his RV?

Tedd, this is part of the regulation, the shape or style of the letter is also important

 See;      222- Aircraft markings and registration standards, 222.01 Specifications for marks

Heavier than air Aircraft other than Helicopter or Gyroplane

(g)  (1) on each side of the fuselage or an alternative structure in the area between the wing and the tail surface,
      (2) in the case of a single vertical tail on each side of the tail, or (3), (4) 
(h) the display of marks on the bottom surface of the wings is optional
(i) where the marks are not displayed on the bottom surface of the wings, the height of the marks that are displayed on the side surfaces in accordance with subsection g shall be displayed in accordance 222.01 (0)

Marks displayed on side surface of heavier than air aircraft when not displayed under wing or cabin
(0) the height of the letters in the marks on the side surfaces of a heavier than air aircraft that does not display marks under the wing or cabin, shall be 30cm (11.8 inches), except that, where required by the dimensions of the structure of the aircraft, that height may be reduced to:

(1) the maximum height allowed by the dimensions of the structure of the aircraft or a height of 15cm (5.9 inches), whichever is greater, or
(2) in the case of a glider, an Amateur Built aircraft or an ultralight aeroplane, the maximum height allowed by the dimensions of the structure of the aircraft or a height of 7.5cm (3 inches), whichever is greater.

(p) where either one of the surfaces referred to in paragraph 222.01 (1) (g) is large enough for display of marks meeting the size requirements of paragraph (o) and the other is not, full size marks shall be placed on the larger surface.



Tedd the reason I took the time to write this all out is I hope more than one person is interested in the answer, for a typical homebuilt if you place the registration on the fin 6" letters are usually acceptable,  (12" on the side of the airplane  ) .

 If a builder is uncertain about how to comply with this regulation he should contact a Transport Canada office. In the case of  3" letters, if it is acceptable to TC, keep a copy of the letter for your inspector and in your log book, you will need it. Terry
From mifreund at netidea.com  Mon Feb  7 11:05:18 2005
From: mifreund at netidea.com (Micheal Freund)
Date: Mon Feb  7 11:10:03 2005
Subject: [Wing] Nelson
Message-ID: <001a01c50d47$f6e26b40$efc4fea9@u4e8x4>

A request went out two weeks ago asking for responses to an invitation to attend the July 23/24 Nelson BC "Flight Fest".I realize it is  early for people to make commitments at this time,However it would be useful to us making plans at this time regarding hotel vacancies and airport arrangements to get some idea of interest for this event.
As previously stated,The Nelson airport supporters are in a struggle against some who want to close the airport in favour of commercial redevelopment of the airport lands.As most of you know airport closures happen all too often.There are currently five helicopter companies operating from here,as well as a licensed repair and maintenace operator,and in addition  the active fourty member Nelson pilot's association.The Nelson airport has a number of features making Nelson an attractive destination.Nelson is a popular tourist area and central to numerous other attractions in the area.The coming months between now and the municipal elections in November will be a crucial time,and the Nelson Pilot's Association will be giving all we have in our effort to keep the airport from being closed.The Nelson Flight Fest will include some interesting groups in attendance, among them the Montana antique aircraft association and aircraft from CFB Comox.I would urge all of you who see this invitation to respond either to this site or to my own email address mifreund@netidea.com to indicate your interest in attending our Flight Fest,even if your intentions are tentative.

Thanks
Mike Freund
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From tedd at vansairforce.org  Mon Feb 14 07:59:38 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Mon Feb 14 07:59:44 2005
Subject: [Wing] Racetech RV6A Forced Landing (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050214075808.A61157-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

>From Barry Tunzelmann.

---


-----Original Message-----
From: Cam Andres [mailto:ANDRESC@novachem.com]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:25 PM
To: Tunzelmann, Barry (AMEC)
Subject: Here's the story on the Racetech RV6A Forced Landing


02/07/05 A Forced Landing

On January 22/05 we were conducting leaning experiments with the WMS
wideband AFR monitor and turbocharger compressor temperature measurements
with the stainless backplate installed, on a flight between Springbank and
Vulcan at 9500 feet. As we leveled off, it was noted that the electronic
digital altimeter was changing readings 20-40 feet randomly. This was
attributed to rising/ descending air initially. Within 2 minutes, the
fluctuations were 100-300 feet but the air seemed smooth. About the same
time, I noticed that the WMS meter was reading completely wrong yet the
engine was running perfectly. A few seconds later, the GPS went offline. It
was recycled but died again within 20 seconds so I shut it off. When I
scanned the engine instruments, I noted that the tachometer was reading
incorrectly and the Navaid gyro was indicating a right turn when we were not
turning. I suspected a charging system failure immediately and checked the
battery voltage in the SDS monitor. This read 9.5 volts so I knew then that
we had a charging system failure. At the time, I was not worried about
making it to an airport, assuming that the alternator had failed just in the
last few minutes and believing that I had 20-25 minutes of battery power
remaining. In fact, it is likely that the alternator failed soon after
takeoff from Springbank but I did not notice signs of the failure until the
battery was well over half dead.

Calgary Terminal called to clear us from his zone but his transmission broke
up. We could not respond and shut off both comms and squawked 7600 for about
30 seconds before the transponder went down. I shut off all other
non-essential electrical loads at this time. I estimated Vulcan airport at
12-15 miles away which we were heading straight for. About 4-5 minutes
later, the engine started to run rough as battery voltage was down to 6.5
volts. 2 minutes later, the engine started to cut out intermittently. By
turning the low pressure fuel pump off for 15 seconds at a time, partial
power was restored for a few seconds. One minute later, the engine
essentially ceased running but the prop was still windmilling. I settled on
90 knots as a glide speed with the VSI around 1000 fpm down. About 3 miles
out, our altitude looked fine to make the runway, high if anything. 1.5
miles out and it was clear that we would not make the runway. I was worried
about 2 ditches, a road and a man made waterfowl dugout off the far end of
the runway and did not want to arrive high as we had no flaps. This turned
out not to be a problem as we would be well short of the threshold. I made a
shallow turn into wind to land in a field parallel to the plowed furrows.
Airspeed bled off rapidly in the turn and I had to keep pushing the stick
forward to maintain 65 knots. The deck angle was somewhat scary. Don't
stall! don't stall! was going through my mind vs. the alarming deck angle.
At about 20 feet up, I initiated the flare. We touched down level or
slightly nose down as there was insufficient stick and energy to complete a
proper flare. The nose gear gave way, then the prop and there were some
expensive crunching sounds. We slid to a stop on the partially snow covered/
frozen field in about 200 feet.

The G meter read 7Gs from the vertical impact. I used my cell phone to
contact Edmonton ATC and report the forced landing. As there were no
injuries, we were authorized to move the aircraft by Transport Canada. The
local police, EMS and fire services were extremely helpful and efficient.
They even arranged for a nearby trucking firm to recover the aircraft for
transport back to the airport. Joyline Transport did an excellent job
organizing a cherry picker and lowboy at both ends, arranging all permits
and getting VZX back to its hangar. Many thanks to all involved from the
Vulcan area including Wally Walpole, the talented lowboy driver, the field
supervisor and "Woody" from Lethbridge, an interesting personality to be
sure. These people made Vulcan the nicest place to have a forced landing and
the best of a not so good day.

Preliminary investigation showed that the alternator field fuse was blown
for reasons undetermined at this point although some swarf was resting on
top of the fuse holder in close proximity. Whether this was the cause or
simply disloged from the impact will probably never be known. We'll be
perfoming tests on the charging system when the aircraft is repaired again.
The impact sheared the nose leg retaining bolt clean off. The leg punctured
the stainless firewall and battery box and came to rest against the battery
case. The nose leg was completely "pretzelized" with the tire ending up flat
under the cowling. The main gear legs were both bent back an extra 10-15
degrees and the IVO propeller shattered 2 blades on impact. Various wheel
pants and fairing were also damaged and both brake rotors were bent. No
structural airframe damage was discovered and repair is under way. Thanks to
Van's for designing such a robust airframe and I'm glad I was in a metal
aircraft.

Lessons Learned and Applied

Thinking in hindsight on what was not readily apparent at the time of the
emergency:

The low voltage warning light was likely ON for 10-15 minutes and remained
unnoticed by me because I was busy recording AFR data. The warning light is
not a flashing type which is much more likely to attract attention. A 95dB
warning buzzer will now be added so that a charging system malfunction will
be apparent immediately. I strongly recommend an aural warning vs. a light.
The delay in noticing the failure resulted in the forced landing. I believed
that I had 20-25 minutes of battery power remaining when the failure was
detected but had more like 10 minutes at that point.

Pilots always talk of instructors throwing impossible multiple system
failures and emergencies at them in training or in the simulator. Well, this
time, we had such multiple, progressive system failures and did not
recognize what was happening until the third device started giving odd
readings. It is worth thinking about odd readings rather than dismissing
them. You might save valuable time.

We rely so much on GPS but the "Nearest Airport" feature does not help much
without electrical power and a dark screen. Having a map handy and marking
last known position every 10 miles is not a bad idea. Glass cockpit
advocates take note on the reliance of these on electrical power. We had no
time to Mayday or really squawk a comm failure before power was lost. This
could be serious in controlled airspace.

We had no battery backup as this was deemed unnecessary, thinking that the
alternator failure would be immediately noticed and that I'd have 20-25
minutes of flight time to find a suitable landing spot or airport. A second
18 amp hour battery will be added with a separate switch, independent of the
master solenoid. I was worried that the master solenoid would trip open at
the low voltage, effectively signing everything off. Fortunately, the hold
current required on these is quite low but this is an extra drain on the
battery.

Most of the electrical devices were effectively offline at around 9 volts.
Fortunately the SDS ECU and coil pack functioned down to the very last along
with the fuel pumps, even at 6.5 volts where the battery is virtually dead.
SDS has voltage compensation for the ignition and injector drivers which
helped in this situation. Does your ECU have this?

Should I have picked a road or smoother field immediately rather than
heading for an airport 20-25 miles away? Well, I would have if I'd known how
bad the battery state was.

I should have pushed the throttle up and climbed to get as much altitude as
possible to arrive very high OVER the airport but again, I thought I had
lots of time.

With total power loss, the aircraft does not glide as well as it does even
with idle power. The 3 blade prop has considerable drag due to its flat
plate area. This is something you can't practice, but am aware of now. The
deck angle to maintain airspeed is steeper than in training. Maintain speed
at all costs and have a margin of extra speed for the flare as the elevators
are less effective with no power. Train often for engine failures. It CAN
happen to you! I'm glad that I did train fairly often. There was no panic
and I did most things instictively.

Wear your shoulder harness! We always do but it is surprising how many
pilots are injured or killed with them dangling by their shoulders. Have
winter gear with you when you winter fly. We did, even though it was a
pretty pleasant, sunny, winter day. Remember, it CAN happen to you!

Use all resources possible. If you have another pilot with you, hand some
responsibility over to them for map reading, calling out airspeeds,
altitude, reading emergency checklists, giving you flaps etc.

Damage will be repaired. Systems will be changed. Checklists will be altered
and training will be intensified. I pledge not to forget the lessons learned
here and am very happy to still be here to write this.

From Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca  Mon Feb 14 08:22:54 2005
From: Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca (Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca)
Date: Mon Feb 14 08:23:15 2005
Subject: [Wing] Racetech RV6A Forced Landing (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20050214075808.A61157-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <OF61BC0F1C.DB7E3B88-ON85256FA8.0059E7FA-85256FA8.0059FD02@toyota.ca>

Makes me wonder why the mags didnt keep the engine running!!!!
From tedd at vansairforce.org  Mon Feb 14 08:29:02 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Mon Feb 14 08:29:07 2005
Subject: [Wing] Racetech RV6A Forced Landing (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <OF61BC0F1C.DB7E3B88-ON85256FA8.0059E7FA-85256FA8.0059FD02@toyota.ca>
Message-ID: <20050214082808.I85631-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca wrote:

> Makes me wonder why the mags didnt keep the engine running!!!!

A good point, and something to think about for anyone planning a
dual-electronic ignition system on their Lycoming.

Tedd

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Mon Feb 14 17:57:52 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:58:04 2005
Subject: [Wing] Calgary SportAir Workshops
Message-ID: <20050214175341.J15103-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Those of you who are EAA members will get a flyer in the mail about this, but
for those who aren't:  there will be a set of SportAir builders workshops in
Calgary, April 2-3, 2005.  In addition to the basic sheet metal workshop, there
will also be workshops on gas welding, fabric covering, and -- for the kinky
ones -- composite construction.  You'll find details at

http://www.sportair.com/schedule.html

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From Planecrazyjohn at aol.com  Tue Feb 15 20:22:22 2005
From: Planecrazyjohn at aol.com (Planecrazyjohn@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 15 20:22:38 2005
Subject: [Wing] Racetech RV6A Forced Landing (fwd)
Message-ID: <ee.ce8dc15.2f44247e@aol.com>

There is a reason to perform an electrical load anaysis to ensure that  the 
aircraft minimum required systems have a battery system to provide  sufficient 
reserve power for approx 45 minutes. 
 
 Planecrazy
 
 
From tedd at vansairforce.org  Thu Feb 24 07:05:21 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:05:28 2005
Subject: [Wing] looking for rv 4 (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050224070430.G4284-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

This is from the Wing classified ads:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:02:01 -0700
From: Sheldon <shensltd@telusplanet.net>
To: classifieds@vansairforce.org
Subject: looking for rv 4

Hello My name is Sheldon Valentine I'm looking for a Canadian RV 4 any body
have one for sale please e mail me at shensltd@telusplanet.net or call me at
403 638-4921


From acwrench at yahoo.ca  Thu Feb 24 21:23:10 2005
From: acwrench at yahoo.ca (pat morency)
Date: Thu Feb 24 21:23:30 2005
Subject: [Wing] flap attach
Message-ID: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>

When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap. 
As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
service. Suggestions?
Pat in Calgary

______________________________________________________________________ 
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
From ve7fp at jetstream.net  Thu Feb 24 23:41:32 2005
From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski)
Date: Thu Feb 24 23:41:40 2005
Subject: [Wing] flap attach
In-Reply-To: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c51b0d$726abdd0$4f897240@cs>


: [Wing] flap attach

When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap. 
As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
service. Suggestions?
Pat in Calgary

Pat, 

That is what I did and it worked fine.  I put a 90 degree bend in the
pin with a couple of inches sticking up which I safety wired to the
curved aluminum (my mind has gone blank, I can't remember the name of
the part)

Ken Hoshowski RV6 C-FKEH
Salmon Arm B.C.  First flight Sept. 8, 1993

From jjewell at telus.net  Thu Feb 24 23:56:48 2005
From: jjewell at telus.net (Jim Jewell)
Date: Thu Feb 24 23:56:35 2005
Subject: [Wing] flap attach
References: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c51b0f$8ee07020$3b5cad8e@speedier>

Hi Pat,

That in fact is the tried and true way of doing it. 


Jim in Kelowna

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pat morency" <acwrench@yahoo.ca>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:23 PM
Subject: [Wing] flap attach


> When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
> splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
> center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap. 
> As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
> service. Suggestions?
> Pat in Calgary
> 
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From mifreund at netidea.com  Fri Feb 25 07:11:06 2005
From: mifreund at netidea.com (Micheal Freund)
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:18:34 2005
Subject: [Wing] first
Message-ID: <002b01c51b4c$3b162a60$140ffea9@u4e8x4>

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From rv6capt at pacificcoast.net  Fri Feb 25 07:22:38 2005
From: rv6capt at pacificcoast.net (Norman Younie)
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:22:43 2005
Subject: [Wing] flap attach
In-Reply-To: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <421F42BE.6080108@pacificcoast.net>

There is no problem on the RV6 with splitting the hinge pin and 
installing it from the center. This is the standard practice on all of 
the RV's.

pat morency wrote:

>When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
>splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
>center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap. 
>As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
>service. Suggestions?
>Pat in Calgary
>
>______________________________________________________________________ 
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>
From wjoke at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 25 07:23:13 2005
From: wjoke at shaw.ca (Jim Oke)
Date: Fri Feb 25 07:23:25 2005
Subject: [Wing] flap attach
References: <20050225052311.40553.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a001c51b4d$ebfb16a0$6501a8c0@Pentium>

Pat;

As others have said, this is the usual RV-6 builder's solution and, in fact, 
is what I did. Works just fine once the hinge pin is in place.

One caution is to make sure the hinge pin comes out and goes in fairly 
easily. By this I mean keep the hinge line straight and spaced to allow the 
flap to rotate to at least 60-70 degrees from streamlined. Apply a suitable 
lubricant, make sure the hinge eyelets stay clear of paint and do not get 
damaged when riveting the hinge segments to the wing and flap.

Situation is that due to the way the forward curved upper surface of the 
flap contacts the top wing skin, you will not have much access to the flap 
hinge to insert a long, flexible, pin. It helps to be able to lower the flap 
to as close to 90 degrees as you can get it but this will show up any 
misalignment in the hinge. "Retracting" the flap allows the pin to move more 
easily but then you have no access!

In extreme situations, some sort of arrangement with wooden guide sticks and 
such will be needed to get the pin to slide into place but once you have the 
wings on the fuselage this won't work. A couple of helpers when bent nose 
longnose pliers and many #$%& words can be needed to persuade the pin into 
place. As in a lot of places on an RV, a friend with skinny fingers about 8 
inches long would be really nice to have. (Have you done the wing bolts yet 
? Are you building a -6A for the extra fun involved here?)

This is not to discourage anyone from using this method, just to forewarn of 
some of the potential problems involved.

Good luck and happy building!

Cheers, Jim Oke
RV-6A, C-GKGZ
Wpg., MB



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "pat morency" <acwrench@yahoo.ca>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: [Wing] flap attach


> When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
> splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
> center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap.
> As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
> service. Suggestions?
> Pat in Calgary
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
> _______________________________________________
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> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing 

From brjaques at pris.ca  Fri Feb 25 17:59:19 2005
From: brjaques at pris.ca (Bruce Jaques)
Date: Fri Feb 25 17:59:55 2005
Subject: [Wing] RV-4 GWYR
Message-ID: <06FE614A-879A-11D9-8835-000A95EC38EE@pris.ca>

Hammy bought my 4 the other and I'm off duty for a few years so might 
as well end my subscription.  If I end up with another RV, I'll hook up 
with you guys again.   It 's been blast

Bruce Jaques
Chetwynd, B.C. 

From kiwirv6 at telus.net  Sun Feb 27 21:31:21 2005
From: kiwirv6 at telus.net (Barry Tunzelmann)
Date: Sun Feb 27 21:40:49 2005
Subject: FW: [Wing] flap attach
Message-ID: <01C51D1C.3E50CE20.kiwirv6@telus.net>

Pat, the more modern instructions that I had for building my 6 (circa 1998 
- wings) had us install the flap hinge pin in one piece from through the 
inboard aileron bracket. The hole that you drill through the bracket is 
slightly offset from the hole line looking through the flap hinge. This 
prevents the pin from working out back to the ailerons. So big deal, you 
have to undo the aileron to get the flap off and that takes an extra 5 
minutes. Don't know why Van suggested this way, may be better to have one 
pin instead of two. I live in Salmon Arm but work during the week in 
Calgary so if you want call me and I will come over and show you what I 
did. My number here in Calgary is 234-9003

-----Original Message-----
From:	Jim Oke [SMTP:wjoke@shaw.ca]
Sent:	February 25, 2005 8:23 AM
To:	Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing
Subject:	Re: [Wing] flap attach

Pat;

As others have said, this is the usual RV-6 builder's solution and, in 
fact,
is what I did. Works just fine once the hinge pin is in place.

One caution is to make sure the hinge pin comes out and goes in fairly
easily. By this I mean keep the hinge line straight and spaced to allow the 
flap to rotate to at least 60-70 degrees from streamlined. Apply a suitable 
lubricant, make sure the hinge eyelets stay clear of paint and do not get
damaged when riveting the hinge segments to the wing and flap.

Situation is that due to the way the forward curved upper surface of the
flap contacts the top wing skin, you will not have much access to the flap
hinge to insert a long, flexible, pin. It helps to be able to lower the 
flap
to as close to 90 degrees as you can get it but this will show up any
misalignment in the hinge. "Retracting" the flap allows the pin to move 
more
easily but then you have no access!

In extreme situations, some sort of arrangement with wooden guide sticks 
and
such will be needed to get the pin to slide into place but once you have 
the
wings on the fuselage this won't work. A couple of helpers when bent nose
longnose pliers and many #$%& words can be needed to persuade the pin into
place. As in a lot of places on an RV, a friend with skinny fingers about 8 
inches long would be really nice to have. (Have you done the wing bolts yet 
? Are you building a -6A for the extra fun involved here?)

This is not to discourage anyone from using this method, just to forewarn 
of
some of the potential problems involved.

Good luck and happy building!

Cheers, Jim Oke
RV-6A, C-GKGZ
Wpg., MB



----- Original Message -----
From: "pat morency" <acwrench@yahoo.ca>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: [Wing] flap attach


> When attaching the flaps on an rv-6 is there a problem
> splitting the hinge pin in two and installing it from
> center of the flap out towards the ends of the flap.
> As I see it you could remove the flap easier in
> service. Suggestions?
> Pat in Calgary
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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From kiwirv6 at telus.net  Mon Feb 28 21:00:28 2005
From: kiwirv6 at telus.net (Barry Tunzelmann)
Date: Mon Feb 28 21:27:17 2005
Subject: [Wing] Eustace Bowhay
Message-ID: <01C51DE3.85C6B0E0.kiwirv6@telus.net>

Early last Tuesday morning whilst in a hotel in Canmore AB Eustace suffered 
a stroke. He was taken by ambulance to Foothills Hospital in Calgary where 
he still is until tomorrow (Tues 1st Mar) when he will be transported by 
Westjet to Kelowna then ambulance to Kamloops Hospital. My wife Cindy and I 
visited Eustace tonight here in Calgary. He is in reasonably good spirits 
and has regained movement in his left leg but has a long road to recovery. 
I urge my fellow member RVListers to take the time to visit Eustace in 
Kamloops after Wednesday 2nd. There has never been a better ambassador to 
our RV cause than Eustace and it would give him a big boost to see some of 
you walk through his hospital room door. For those that spoke to me on this 
last weekend I have passed on your best wishes to Eustace. He thanks you 
very much for the kind thoughts.

Thank you all

Barry E Tunzelmann
email: kiwirv6@telus.net

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Thu Mar  3 19:19:01 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Thu Mar  3 19:19:10 2005
Subject: [Wing] Van's Paraphernalia
Message-ID: <20050303191728.L20426-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Since this is the WESTERN Canada Wing, this should appeal to some of our
members:

	http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From rv7 at b4.ca  Thu Mar  3 22:18:34 2005
From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior (rv7))
Date: Thu Mar  3 22:18:45 2005
Subject: [Wing] Van's Paraphernalia
In-Reply-To: <20050303191728.L20426-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
References: <20050303191728.L20426-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <4227FDBA.3070802@b4.ca>

Tedd McHenry wrote:

>Since this is the WESTERN Canada Wing, this should appeal to some of our
>members:
>
>	http://home.earthlink.net/~gbrasch/
>  
>
Pffft.  I want one in gold anodized aluminum.  Or perhaps better yet, 
primer-coloured aluminum.

(of course the reason he doesn't sell a primered aluminum one is that he 
asked on the RV-List what kind of primer to use, and it kinda went 
downhill from there...)

-Rob
From ve7fp at jetstream.net  Wed Mar 16 22:14:19 2005
From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski)
Date: Wed Mar 16 22:14:55 2005
Subject: [Wing] Eustace Bowhay, update
Message-ID: <000301c52ab8$95161a90$4b897240@cs>

There was a post a few weeks ago advising that Eustace had suffered a
stroke while visiting in Calgary.  Eustace has since been transferred to
Royal Inland Hospital in Kamloops.  I visited him on Sunday March 6 and
found him in reasonably good spirits.  His speech is unaffected and his
right side is fine, as a matter of fact I teased him about the strong
grip he had with his right hand, told him he would be able to finish
riveting his RV10 with his right hand only.  He had slight movement in
his left foot and no movement in his left arm.  Unfortunately, on the
following Tuesday he developed pneumonia and was transferred to
intensive care for a few days. (visitors restricted to family only).  I
talked to his wife Nora this evening and he was returned to a regular
ward today.  He is on a physiotherapy program to restore movement to his
left side.  I understand he may be in hospital for 2 to 3 months.  He is
extremely disappointed that he cannot work on the RV10 but it is a real
incentive for him to concentrate on his recovery.  He is determined to
get back working on that airplane.  Please do not send any emails to his
home as Nora does not use the computer and his mailbox might be full.
If you would like to send him a message, send it to me and I will print
all responses and put them in a binder for him.  I am sure he would
appreciate hearing from you.
 
Send messages to:
 
ve7fp@jetstream.net 
 
 
Regards,
 
Ken Hoshowski  RV6
Salmon Arm B.C.
 
From tedd at vansairforce.org  Tue Mar 22 10:51:56 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Tue Mar 22 10:52:26 2005
Subject: [Wing] Penticton Airport Swap Meet
Message-ID: <20050322103729.A36084-101000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Penticton airport (CYYF) is having an aviation swap meet on Saturday, April 20,
2005.  Details below and in the attached PDF.  Feel free to print out the PDF
and post it at your favourite airport, or wherever.

Tedd

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

---

PENTICTON AIRPORT   CYYF
AVIATION SWAP MEET
10:00 am to 3:00 pm

Saturday, April 30, 2005
Tables $10.00    ----     Airplanes $10.00
Don't want a table?....bring your odds & ends anyway!

Planes, parts and flying stuff
 [ no household items please ]
Hanger space will be available for bad weather
Thousands of items on sale!
from prop wash to twin Pipers

FLY OR DRIVE, BUT DON'T MISS IT!

Mail cheque and your list of  items for sale for listing in our flyer to :
Penticton Flying Club     c/o 2230 Barnes Street     Penticton, BC  V2A 6T5

Contact Swap meet organizers by:
	Fax:	250 493 5534
	email:	lrkent@telus.net


! ! !  BONUS ! ! !

SOUTHERN SKIES AVIATION
T.C. Approved RUST REMOVER
Emergency Manoeuvre Training & Impact Survival
(G load/over time)
Sunday, May 1, 2005        10:00 am to 2:00 pm          Cost: $10

TO REGISTER for Rust Remover or rooms at The Sky Tel Motel
Contact Southern Skies 250.492.0074
Email  fly@southernskies.ca
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From Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca  Tue Mar 22 13:06:09 2005
From: Bob_Cutting at toyota.ca (Bob_Cutting@toyota.ca)
Date: Tue Mar 22 13:06:55 2005
Subject: [Wing] Bob Cutting/TCI is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OFF406EC54.81E63026-ON85256FCC.0073EB90-85256FCC.0073EB90@toyota.ca>

I will be out of the office starting  03/18/2005 and will not return until
03/29/2005.

Please contact Wayne Christie if  further assistance is required

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Fri Apr  1 07:28:29 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Fri Apr  1 07:28:39 2005
Subject: [Wing] Comox Air Force Museum, Meet the Snowbirds
Message-ID: <20050401072720.O25050-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: [BCMA-L] Comox Air Force Museum, Meet the Snowbirds


Meet the Snowbirds for an autograph signing session at the Comox Air
Force Museum, Saturday, 23 April 2005 at 1:00 pm after the Comox Harbour
Airshow.

The Snowbirds will be in Comox for their spring training from 12 - 26
Apr 05.


John Low
Captain
Chairman
http://www.comoxairforcemuseum.ca

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Wed Apr  6 21:15:07 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Wed Apr  6 21:15:15 2005
Subject: [Wing] FLYING BC Information Bulletin (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050406211326.J89961-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Here is some information from the Penticton Flying Club/COPA Flight 50, of
particular interest to pilots in the Penticton-Kelowna-Vernon area:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 21:09:50 -0700
From: PENTICTON Flying Club/COPA Flight 50 <kgwest@shaw.ca>
To: kgwest@shaw.ca
Subject: FLYING BC Information Bulletin

Flying BC

Information Bulletin

April 6, 2005



ITEMS FOR SALE



Hangars For Sale in Vernon…3 hangars 48’ x 32’ with 39’ hydraulic
“awning” doors, finished and insulated inside (dry-walled, and painted)
$66,000 each.  Compressor also available….price negotiable.  Call Dave
Crerar at 250-558-8866 if you are interested, or know someone who might
be.



RV6 Kit For Sale in Kelowna…..RV6 kit for sale, its a complete
slow-build kit, tip-up canopy, with 5% of the wings done and the rest is
untouched,

$16,500.  If you need some time to pay for it I would carry it for a
short time with half down as a deposit.  Call quickly as this RV
aircraft kit will sell fast at this price. Contact HYPERLINK
"mailto:alame@shaw.ca"alame@shaw.ca



STRAIGHT AHEAD



April 8-9, Vernon BC: COPA Flight 65/Vernon Flying Club Rust Remover,.
Fri. April 8th, at the Vernon Flying Club - 7:30 PM, "Pilots, Pictures,
and Popcorn "  Join us for an evening of Special Aviation Movies and
socializing ! All welcome.  Saturday April 9th, This year's
presentations include Brian Penner of Transport Canada on "the
Essentials of Airmanship", A Presenter on Weather, Air Traffic
Controllers , Pete Wise , an very experienced Outdoorsman on "Survival
Techniques" Chuck Ross, pilot, flight instructor,  and RV4  builder, on
Engine maintenance and Lubricants, and a Medical Professional outlining
"Health Hints for Pilots. Pre-registration is important! For more
information contact : Laura-Lee Locheed at 250-545-4436, or email
HYPERLINK "mailto:swimmer8@telus.net"swimmer8@telus.net, or contact
Marion Ross at 250-542-1740, or email HYPERLINK
"mailto:rv4@telus.net"rv4@telus.net.



April  30, Langley BC: Transport Canada "Recurrency Training", Kevin
Psutka “COPA National Issues”, John Lovelace "Wings over Canada", Peter
Killin “Martin Mars”, Daryl Murphy "Murphy Aircraft".  $30 Flight
72/BCFA Members, $40 Non Members Includes Hot Lunch, Coffee, Etc. There
will be a Barbecue & Product & Aircraft Displays at the Fort Langley
Floatbase, Afternoon & Evening. From 0830-1500 Hours at the Hampton Inn
19500 Langley By-pass. .For more information contact Dennis Popowich at
604-856-6529, fax 604-856-6539, email HYPERLINK
"mailto:d-popowich@shaw.ca"d-popowich@shaw.ca or write to 7320 254
Street Langley, BC V4W 1V1.



April 30, Penticton BC:  Penticton airport Aviation Swap Meet from 1000
– 1500hrs.  Planes, parts, flying ‘stuff’…anything aviation will be up
for grabs…and bucks.  Hangar space available in case of inclement wx.
Contact Ron Kent at email: HYPERLINK
"mailto:lrkent@telus.net"lrkent@telus.net to register.  Cost is $15 per
table and/or airplane.



May 1, Penticton BC: Safety Seminar hosted by COPA Flight 50 at the
Penticton Flying Club. The seminar is $10 and the speaker will include
Mark Holmes, Peter Gratton, Roger Purton and the COPA president, Kevin
Psutka.  Topics have been approved by TC and will include regulatory
requirements plus G-Impact survival and Search and Rescue when SARSAT
retires.  Pre-registration required to HYPERLINK
"mailto:fly@southernskies.ca"fly@southernskies.ca tel: 250-492-0074.
Cost $10.00.  Breakfast special with coffee, $5.00 at the Flight Deck
Café in the terminal building….also great lunch specials every day.  For
more information contact Gary West at 250-497-6466, e-mail HYPERLINK
"mailto:kgwest@shaw.ca"kgwest@shaw.ca.



Contact Gary West about this bulletin at email: HYPERLINK
"mailto:kgwest@shaw.ca"kgwest@shaw.ca



Check the FLYING BC web calendar at HYPERLINK
"http://ca.calendar.yahoo.com/flyingbc_ca"http://ca.calendar.yahoo.com/f
lyingbc_ca



From tedd at vansairforce.org  Wed Apr  6 21:51:25 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Wed Apr  6 21:51:28 2005
Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in 2005
Message-ID: <20050406214640.B98670-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing and the Langley Aero Club are holding the
fourth annual Langley Fly-in on Saturday, June 4, 2005 at Langley airport
(CYNJ).  This is the annual fly-in for the Western Canada Wing, and will also
be a general fly-in for all types of homebuilts.

Keep an eye on the Fly-in web page for details,

	http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ

Perhaps you're already the proud owner of a flying RV.  Lucky you! Then you'll
surely want to fly in for a chance to win the People's Choice award for the
best homebuilt, and to show off your beautiful airplane.  There's also a
Furthest award, for the homebuilt that flies the furthest distance to get
there.  If you're coming from Alberta or Saskatchewan you have a good chance of
snagging that trophy.

There will be plenty of space on the field for parking.  You can come for the
day, camp on the field, or stay in one of the hotels near the airport.  There
are links to the local Travelodge on the web page.

If you just like to look at RVs, this is probably going to be your best chance
inside Canada this year.  There are about 50 RVs registered in B.C., and we
hope to have a sizable portion of them at Langley.  Naturally, we're
encouraging anyone who wants to fly in, regardless of what type of airplane
they have.  If you plan to attend, and especially if you plan to fly in, please
take the time to sign the Guest Book on the Fly-in web page.

	http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/guestbook/lac_sign.html

That will help us plan facilities such as food and washrooms.

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From grizzlybear at klondiker.com  Thu Apr  7 05:21:58 2005
From: grizzlybear at klondiker.com (Jacob & Grace)
Date: Thu Apr  7 05:27:29 2005
Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in 2005
References: <20050406214640.B98670-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <002001c53b6c$6529eb80$77eef7c7@D9PQ6L21>

I doubt I'll have the 25 hr by then....but should be in the air,



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
To: "Western Canada Wing List" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:51 PM
Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in 2005


> Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing and the Langley Aero Club are holding 
> the
> fourth annual Langley Fly-in on Saturday, June 4, 2005 at Langley airport
> (CYNJ).  This is the annual fly-in for the Western Canada Wing, and will 
> also
> be a general fly-in for all types of homebuilts.
>
> Keep an eye on the Fly-in web page for details,
>
> http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ
>
> Perhaps you're already the proud owner of a flying RV.  Lucky you! Then 
> you'll
> surely want to fly in for a chance to win the People's Choice award for 
> the
> best homebuilt, and to show off your beautiful airplane.  There's also a
> Furthest award, for the homebuilt that flies the furthest distance to get
> there.  If you're coming from Alberta or Saskatchewan you have a good 
> chance of
> snagging that trophy.
>
> There will be plenty of space on the field for parking.  You can come for 
> the
> day, camp on the field, or stay in one of the hotels near the airport. 
> There
> are links to the local Travelodge on the web page.
>
> If you just like to look at RVs, this is probably going to be your best 
> chance
> inside Canada this year.  There are about 50 RVs registered in B.C., and 
> we
> hope to have a sizable portion of them at Langley.  Naturally, we're
> encouraging anyone who wants to fly in, regardless of what type of 
> airplane
> they have.  If you plan to attend, and especially if you plan to fly in, 
> please
> take the time to sign the Guest Book on the Fly-in web page.
>
> http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/guestbook/lac_sign.html
>
> That will help us plan facilities such as food and washrooms.
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> 
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From tedd at vansairforce.org  Fri Apr 22 10:23:01 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Fri Apr 22 10:23:12 2005
Subject: [Wing] Edmonton Area Builders (fwd)
Message-ID: <20050422102222.M3758-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Forwarded from the RV List:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:25:47 -0400
From: Roger Embree <j.embree@sympatico.ca>
Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: Edmonton Area Builders

--> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree <j.embree@sympatico.ca>

I am looking for builders in the Edmonton area.
Please email or call me on my cell.
Thanks
Roger Embree
rembree@sympatico.ca
519 217-3111

From wpetermarshall at shaw.ca  Fri Apr 22 20:44:00 2005
From: wpetermarshall at shaw.ca (Pete Marshall)
Date: Fri Apr 22 20:45:31 2005
Subject: [Wing] Edmonton Area Builders (fwd)
References: <20050422102222.M3758-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <002901c547b6$afac93f0$b1844646@peter9a262293f>

Tedd,
I'm gonna be gone all day tomorrow.   If you are going to fly tomorrow you 
will need the keys to get into the airplane.  Let me know tonight if 
possible.

Cheers, Pete
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tedd McHenry" <tedd@vansairforce.org>
To: "Western Canada Wing List" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: [Wing] Edmonton Area Builders (fwd)


> Forwarded from the RV List:
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:25:47 -0400
> From: Roger Embree <j.embree@sympatico.ca>
> Reply-To: rv-list@matronics.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Edmonton Area Builders
>
> --> RV-List message posted by: Roger Embree <j.embree@sympatico.ca>
>
> I am looking for builders in the Edmonton area.
> Please email or call me on my cell.
> Thanks
> Roger Embree
> rembree@sympatico.ca
> 519 217-3111
>
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> 


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sun May  1 14:02:26 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun May  1 14:02:42 2005
Subject: [Wing] Classifieds on Wing Web Site
Message-ID: <20050501135737.Q7186-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Wing Members:

I have reactivated the feature on the Western Canada Wing web site that allows
you to post your own ads.  I had previously disabled it because we were getting
a lot of spam.  The revised software now notifies me when an ad is submitted,
so that I can inspect it and -- if it's spam -- reject it before it appears on
the web site.

	http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds/

The following ads are currently posted.

	RV-7 Wanted
	RV-6 Kit (partial)
	Wanted: partly completed kit


---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sun May  1 16:55:03 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun May  1 16:55:08 2005
Subject: [Wing] Langley Fly-in 2005
Message-ID: <20050501164114.W73781-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Just a reminder that the Langley, BC fly-in is Saturday, June 4, 2005.  This is
the annual fly-in of Western Canada Wing.

Details are on our web page,

	http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/

RV pilots, come on out and show off your beautiful airplane.  Builders, we have
seminars and representatives from Van's, Aerosport Power (Bart Lalonde), and
Demel.  Wannabes, this is your best chance to view C-registered RVs west of the
95th meridian.

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing
www.vansairforce.org
tedd@vansairforce.org


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Mon May  2 18:40:26 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Mon May  2 18:40:41 2005
Subject: [Wing] Rec Flyer Article
Message-ID: <20050502183531.P11462-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

I have a photocopy of the article, "Cooling Systems for Automotive
Conversions," by Hans Mayer, which I assume was published in the Recreational
Flyer.  The article says "Part One" on it; I suspect "Part Two" is in the
following issue, but there's no indication which issue of the Rec Flyer "Part
One" is from.  Does anyone know which issue I'd find "Part Two" in?

Better yet, does anybody have that article, and are you willing to scan it for
me?

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Thu May  5 15:44:57 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Thu May  5 15:45:19 2005
Subject: [Wing] Vernon Air Pageant
Message-ID: <20050505154129.I68309-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

The first annual Vernon Air Pageant will be held on Father's Day, June 19,
2005.  There will be a pancake breakfast, static displays, military aircraft
(Cormorant and Buffalo), and antique cars and motorcycles.  See the Yahoo
calendar page for more.

http://ca.calendar.yahoo.com/YYY,38f6ff/srt,0/flyingbc_ca?v=4&t=1119211200&i=369&pv=61

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From ve7fp at jetstream.net  Sat May  7 17:08:42 2005
From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski)
Date: Sat May  7 17:08:51 2005
Subject: [Wing] First Flight
Message-ID: <000001c55362$1a4e0bb0$31897240@cs>

This is to let you know that another RV9A shed its nest today in Salmon
Arm.  The airplane is owned by Don Champion (dcac06@jetstream.net .  The
airplane is equipped with an Aerosport 160 hp 0-320 with one lightspeed
ignition and one mag and a Sensenich prop.
The test pilot was Chuck Ross.  All systems worked as they should.  Only
snag is a stuck float ( we think the float may have a leak in it) in the
left wing.  The airplane performed extremely well, I flew chase and had
a hard time catching it.  At one point at 6000 feet level flight my true
airspeed was reading 180 and GPS groundspeed was 184.  Our
congratulations to Don.
 
Ken Hoshowski
Salmon Arm B.C.
C-FKEH   RV6 160hp/constant speed
 
P.S. Doug Pearce is waiting for his flight permit for his RV6A so we
should have another flying within the week.
From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sat May  7 18:21:09 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sat May  7 18:21:13 2005
Subject: [Wing] First Flight
In-Reply-To: <000001c55362$1a4e0bb0$31897240@cs>
Message-ID: <20050507181733.I74275-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Ken:

Congratulations to Don!

Tedd



From tedd at vansairforce.org  Mon May  9 17:58:44 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Mon May  9 17:58:58 2005
Subject: [Wing] Message for Calgary-area RVers
Message-ID: <20050509175501.P69638-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Sheldon Valentine, who's in the Calgary area, recently purchased an RV-6 and
wants to fly it down to the Langley fly-in on June 4.  He's looking for someone
with more mountain flying experience who he can fly along with.  If you're in
the Calgary area and are planning to fly your RV down to the Langley fly-in,
I'm sure Sheldon would appreciate it if you contacted him.  You can reach him
at,

	shensltd@telusplanet.net

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Tue May 10 15:33:40 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Tue May 10 15:33:49 2005
Subject: [Wing] 14th Annual Northwest RV Fly-In (Scappoose)
Message-ID: <20050510153133.D54551-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

The 14th Annual Northwest RV Fly-In is coming up on Saturday June 18, 2005.
Location is Scappoose Airport, Scappoose OR (SPB).

This is the annual RV Fly-In put on by EAA Chapter 105 and Van's Air Force,
Home Wing.  The Home Wing gang have been pretty good about coming out to our
fly-in at Langley, so it would be nice to have a Western Canada Wing presence
at Scappoose.

For more details see the flyer at www.vanshomewing.org.

From stephen.j.reynolds at talk21.com  Mon May 16 08:43:30 2005
From: stephen.j.reynolds at talk21.com (Stephen Reynolds)
Date: Mon May 16 08:43:52 2005
Subject: [Wing] Building Space
Message-ID: <20050516154330.13071.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello All, I came over to Canada a couple of years ago & built my empennage with the help of a friend who is a RV builder in Alberta. I am finally in a position to start on the wings & fuse however this has come at a rather busy time for my friend & he cannot fit me in until later in the year. I am looking for a place to build from mid July for 2- 3 months ideally in BC or Alberta. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
thankyou
 
Stephen Reynolds
From wpetermarshall at shaw.ca  Mon May 16 10:42:22 2005
From: wpetermarshall at shaw.ca (Pete Marshall)
Date: Mon May 16 10:42:38 2005
Subject: [Wing] Building Space
References: <20050516154330.13071.qmail@web86211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c55a3e$9db7ae60$b1844646@peter9a262293f>

Stephen,
What particular area are you looking at??   BC is a big place!
Cheers, Pete  RV-8 builder.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Reynolds" <stephen.j.reynolds@talk21.com>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Wing] Building Space


> Hello All, I came over to Canada a couple of years ago & built my 
> empennage with the help of a friend who is a RV builder in Alberta. I am 
> finally in a position to start on the wings & fuse however this has come 
> at a rather busy time for my friend & he cannot fit me in until later in 
> the year. I am looking for a place to build from mid July for 2- 3 months 
> ideally in BC or Alberta. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> thankyou
>
> Stephen Reynolds
> _______________________________________________
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> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> 


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Thu May 26 08:44:28 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Thu May 26 08:44:48 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
Message-ID: <20050526084122.G15458-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't been
there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or anything
unusual I should know about?

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From ham at hammcc.com  Thu May 26 09:53:52 2005
From: ham at hammcc.com (Hamilton McClymont)
Date: Thu May 26 09:55:02 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
In-Reply-To: <20050526084122.G15458-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c56213$82457d60$0101a8c0@HAM>

Stay away from the engineer at the Air Training College. I know some
guys who had to pay a lot of money to get their plane back (on a truck)
after it was grounded there unnecessarily.

Ham

-----Original Message-----
From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
[mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Sent: May 26, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Western Canada Wing List
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)


I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't
been there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or
anything unusual I should know about?

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

_______________________________________________
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From gwcgwc at videotron.ca  Thu May 26 11:48:53 2005
From: gwcgwc at videotron.ca (gerald conrad)
Date: Thu May 26 11:49:55 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
References: <001c01c56213$82457d60$0101a8c0@HAM>
Message-ID: <004401c56223$90aa1450$4a02a8c0@Gerry>

Hello Ham;
I just called the Calgary Flying Club @ Springbank. 403-288-8831
No landing fee. Tie down at the club is $10.00/ night.
I called Springbank ESSO. If you buy gas, the first night parking is free. 
Then $5.00/ night. 403-247-8833.
I'll be there with my RV-6A on June 03 & 04.
Gerry Conrad, Montreal
C-GCUN
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hamilton McClymont" <ham@hammcc.com>
To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)


> Stay away from the engineer at the Air Training College. I know some
> guys who had to pay a lot of money to get their plane back (on a truck)
> after it was grounded there unnecessarily.
>
> Ham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
> [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
> Sent: May 26, 2005 8:44 AM
> To: Western Canada Wing List
> Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
>
>
> I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't
> been there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or
> anything unusual I should know about?
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> 


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Thu May 26 12:20:47 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Thu May 26 12:21:07 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
In-Reply-To: <004401c56223$90aa1450$4a02a8c0@Gerry>
Message-ID: <20050526121721.R31661-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

Gerry:

Thanks for the information.  Hey, if you're in Springbank on the 3rd you should
"go the extra mile" and fly over to Langley for the Western Canada Wing fly-in
on the 4th.  You would definitely win our "Furthest Fly-in" award:  a pewter
mug -- woohoo!

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

On Thu, 26 May 2005, gerald conrad wrote:

> Hello Ham;
> I just called the Calgary Flying Club @ Springbank. 403-288-8831
> No landing fee. Tie down at the club is $10.00/ night.
> I called Springbank ESSO. If you buy gas, the first night parking is free.
> Then $5.00/ night. 403-247-8833.
> I'll be there with my RV-6A on June 03 & 04.
> Gerry Conrad, Montreal
> C-GCUN
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hamilton McClymont" <ham@hammcc.com>
> To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
>
>
> > Stay away from the engineer at the Air Training College. I know some
> > guys who had to pay a lot of money to get their plane back (on a truck)
> > after it was grounded there unnecessarily.
> >
> > Ham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
> > [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
> > Sent: May 26, 2005 8:44 AM
> > To: Western Canada Wing List
> > Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
> >
> >
> > I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't
> > been there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or
> > anything unusual I should know about?
> >
> > Tedd
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Tedd McHenry
> > Van's Air Force
> > Western Canada Wing
> > tedd@vansairforce.org
> > www.vansairforce.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wing mailing list
> > Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wing mailing list
> > Wing@vansairforce.org
> > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
> >
>
>
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>

From ham at hammcc.com  Thu May 26 13:13:33 2005
From: ham at hammcc.com (Hamilton McClymont)
Date: Thu May 26 13:14:42 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
In-Reply-To: <004401c56223$90aa1450$4a02a8c0@Gerry>
Message-ID: <000601c5622f$67a6d960$0101a8c0@HAM>

Gerry:

I get home from Wisconsin on the 3rd and plan to be at the Langley
Fly-In on the 4th.  I second Tedd's suggestion.

The Montreal weekend was great but the weather was awful.

Cheers,

Hammy

-----Original Message-----
From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
[mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of gerald conrad
Sent: May 26, 2005 11:49 AM
To: Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing
Subject: Re: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)


Hello Ham;
I just called the Calgary Flying Club @ Springbank. 403-288-8831 No
landing fee. Tie down at the club is $10.00/ night. I called Springbank
ESSO. If you buy gas, the first night parking is free. 
Then $5.00/ night. 403-247-8833.
I'll be there with my RV-6A on June 03 & 04.
Gerry Conrad, Montreal
C-GCUN


From ve7fp at jetstream.net  Thu May 26 22:49:52 2005
From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski)
Date: Thu May 26 22:50:08 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
In-Reply-To: <20050526084122.G15458-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <001001c5627f$e767b7f0$35897240@cs>

Hi Tedd, 

Drop in at Salmon Arm for coffee and fuel.  I flew to Springbank a few
weeks ago and 100LL was $1.32 a liter.  Salmon Arm is $1.10.  

Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
[mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:44 AM
To: Western Canada Wing List
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)

I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't
been
there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or
anything
unusual I should know about?

Tedd

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

_______________________________________________
Wing mailing list
Wing@vansairforce.org
http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing


From tedd at vansairforce.org  Fri May 27 07:08:52 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Fri May 27 07:09:04 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
In-Reply-To: <001001c5627f$e767b7f0$35897240@cs>
Message-ID: <20050527070213.U67110-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

On Thu, 26 May 2005, Ken Hoshowski wrote:

> Drop in at Salmon Arm for coffee and fuel.  I flew to Springbank a few
> weeks ago and 100LL was $1.32 a liter.  Salmon Arm is $1.10.

Ken:

Thanks for the tip.  I was going to call you about the fuel price in Salmon
Arm.

Tedd

From Planecrazyjohn at aol.com  Fri May 27 07:29:26 2005
From: Planecrazyjohn at aol.com (Planecrazyjohn@aol.com)
Date: Fri May 27 07:29:49 2005
Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
Message-ID: <96.2839584f.2fc888c6@aol.com>

Just a note to all re fuel, Fuel in Olds Didsbury EA3 is $1.07 per  litre.
 
John
From tedd at vansairforce.org  Sun May 29 09:41:05 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Sun May 29 09:41:27 2005
Subject: [Wing] Reminder: Langley Fly-in
Message-ID: <20050529093259.H30328-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

The annual Western Canada Wing fly-in is next Saturday, June 4, at CYNJ.  Gus
Funnell, from Van's Aircraft, will be there, giving a seminar on RV building
along with builders Bob Cutting and Vern Little.  There will also be a seminar
on regs and paperwork by Terry Elgood and George McNutt.  For more information,
see our web page at http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/.

Hope to see you all there!

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From tedd at vansairforce.org  Wed Jun  1 16:56:40 2005
From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry)
Date: Wed Jun  1 16:56:54 2005
Subject: [Wing] Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in
Message-ID: <20050601165453.E52490-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>

As an added incentive to attend the Langley Fly-in this Saturday (June 4), the
price for 100LL will be dropped to 99 cents a litre.  See our web page for
other fly-in details (www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/).

---

Tedd McHenry
Van's Air Force
Western Canada Wing
tedd@vansairforce.org
www.vansairforce.org

From payaremchuk at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 10:26:57 2005
From: payaremchuk at gmail.com (Perry Yaremchuk)
Date: Thu Jun  2 10:27:44 2005
Subject: [Wing] Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in
In-Reply-To: <20050601165453.E52490-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
References: <20050601165453.E52490-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <dba7bd6d0506021026366b7de2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tedd,
appreciate the 'Wing' news, always something interesting, even if
yardwork and renovations keep me away from these great fly-ins!
...by the way, can I come fill up my car with 100LL???:) Who ever
thought we'd see mogas 'catch up' with the price of avgas?

thanks

Perry

On 6/1/05, Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org> wrote:
> As an added incentive to attend the Langley Fly-in this Saturday (June 4), the
> price for 100LL will be dropped to 99 cents a litre.  See our web page for
> other fly-in details (www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/).
> 
> ---
> 
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>

From fvalarm at rapidnet.net  Thu Jun  2 14:01:25 2005
From: fvalarm at rapidnet.net (B Tomm)
Date: Thu Jun  2 14:02:07 2005
Subject: [Wing] Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in
Message-ID: <01C5677B.90921BE0.fvalarm@rapidnet.net>

Yip, when mogas and 100LL are the same price, something is not right or 
we've been lied to all these years.  By the way you may not want to run a 
lot of 100LL in your car without a scavenging product to keep the lead 
deposits from forming on things like O2 sensors, valves seats and such. 
 The higher compression car engines with tighter tollerances may be more 
sensitive to build up in those small clearances and combustion chambers. 
 Not to mention lead emmisions.

Bevan
No engine expert here, just thinking out loud.
RV7A under construction



-----Original Message-----
From:	Perry Yaremchuk [SMTP:payaremchuk@gmail.com]
Sent:	Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:27 AM
To:	Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing
Subject:	Re: [Wing] Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in


Hi Tedd,
appreciate the 'Wing' news, always something interesting, even if
yardwork and renovations keep me away from these great fly-ins!
...by the way, can I come fill up my car with 100LL???:) Who ever
thought we'd see mogas 'catch up' with the price of avgas?

thanks

Perry

On 6/1/05, Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org> wrote:
> As an added incentive to attend the Langley Fly-in this Saturday (June 
4), the
> price for 100LL will be dropped to 99 cents a litre.  See our web page 
for
> other fly-in details (www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/).
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wing mailing list
> Wing@vansairforce.org
> http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing
>

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From jjewell at telus.net  Fri Jun  3 11:45:44 2005
From: jjewell at telus.net (Jim Jewell)
Date: Fri Jun  3 11:46:25 2005
Subject: [Wing] Saskatoon visits
Message-ID: <002501c5686c$733113c0$3b5cad8e@speedier>

Hello Saskatchewan,

I will be making a number of short term visits (flying commercial) to 
Saskatoon over the next several months to visit with my wife who will be in 
Saskatoon on a job contract there.
I am currently operating under the impression (misguided or not) that my 
RV6-eh will be flight worthy later in the summer. However it is doubtful 
that I will be flight worthy by then {[;-).

My wife is considering doing the ground school portion of her flight 
training while working in Saskatoon and would appreciate any information in 
that regard.

I expect to be seen lurking around the airport when time permits and I would 
like to meet any Homebuilders, owners and flyers who live in the general 
area.
I am willing to buck or drive some rivets or pitch in with what have you in 
return for coffee and conversation if time during visits to Saskatoon 
permits.

Jim in Kelowna


 


From mdeg at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  3 15:30:58 2005
From: mdeg at shaw.ca (Marc Degirolamo)
Date: Fri Jun  3 15:31:46 2005
Subject: [Wing] Saskatoon visits
References: <002501c5686c$733113c0$3b5cad8e@speedier>
Message-ID: <005f01c5688b$ea51cf20$49984046@ss.shawcable.net>

Jim...give me a call when you are in town.....(934-4434). I have a -4 that
is flying, there is a 6A that is flying, and another -4 that should (?)  be
flying later this summer......If your wife wants to do some groundschool she
could contact , Mitchinson's Flying Service (244-6714) for
information......We have a fairly active RAA club here......breakfasts every
Sunday morning at our club hanger 10 min north of YXE.
Marc DeGirolamo






----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Jewell" <jjewell@telus.net>
To: <wing@vansairforce.org>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: [Wing] Saskatoon visits


> Hello Saskatchewan,
>
> I will be making a number of short term visits (flying commercial) to
> Saskatoon over the next several months to visit with my wife who will be
in
> Saskatoon on a job contract there.
> I am currently operating under the impression (misguided or not) that my
> RV6-eh will be flight worthy later in the summer. However it is doubtful
> that I will be flight worthy by then {[;-).
>
> My wife is considering doing the ground school portion of her flight
> training while working in Saskatoon and would appreciate any information
in
> that regard.
>
> I expect to be seen lurking around the airport when time permits and I
would
> like to meet any Homebuilders, owners and flyers who live in the general
> area.
> I am willing to buck or drive some rivets or pitch in with what have you
in
> return for coffee and conversation if time during visits to Saskatoon
> permits.
>
> Jim in Kelowna
>
>
>
>
>
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From rv6 at shaw.ca  Fri Jun  3 18:01:08 2005
From: rv6 at shaw.ca (Grahame Go)
Date: Fri Jun  3 18:01:34 2005
Subject: [Wing] Re: Wing Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1
References: <200506032232.j53MWKib071479@strongbad.retrix.com>
Message-ID: <04a601c568a0$e4a98c60$6e01a8c0@GrahameGo>

Tedd, can you please let the members know that Vernon's Flying club is 
having an early breakfast available for flyin planes at 8am to 10am
on the Father's day Vernon Air Pageant.

Vans Aircraft will be coming and displaying an RV10 for the Air Pageant

Just a note to pilots that the airfield will be closed from 10am to 2pm for 
in bound aircraft that day.

I have attached a poster.

Grahame Go



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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: Wing Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1


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>   1. Re: Springbank (CYBW) (gerald conrad)
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>   3. RE: Springbank (CYBW) (Hamilton McClymont)
>   4. RE: Springbank (CYBW) (Ken Hoshowski)
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>   7. Reminder: Langley Fly-in (Tedd McHenry)
>   8. Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in (Tedd McHenry)
>   9. Re: Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in (Perry Yaremchuk)
>  10. RE: Fuel Discount at Langley Fly-in (B Tomm)
>  11. Saskatoon visits (Jim Jewell)
>  12. Re: Saskatoon visits (Marc Degirolamo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:48:53 -0400
> From: gerald conrad <gwcgwc@videotron.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <004401c56223$90aa1450$4a02a8c0@Gerry>
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> Hello Ham;
> I just called the Calgary Flying Club @ Springbank. 403-288-8831
> No landing fee. Tie down at the club is $10.00/ night.
> I called Springbank ESSO. If you buy gas, the first night parking is free.
> Then $5.00/ night. 403-247-8833.
> I'll be there with my RV-6A on June 03 & 04.
> Gerry Conrad, Montreal
> C-GCUN
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hamilton McClymont" <ham@hammcc.com>
> To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
>
>
>> Stay away from the engineer at the Air Training College. I know some
>> guys who had to pay a lot of money to get their plane back (on a truck)
>> after it was grounded there unnecessarily.
>>
>> Ham
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wing-bounces@vansairforce.org
>> [mailto:wing-bounces@vansairforce.org] On Behalf Of Tedd McHenry
>> Sent: May 26, 2005 8:44 AM
>> To: Western Canada Wing List
>> Subject: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
>>
>>
>> I'm planning a trip to Springbank in a couple of weeks, and I haven't
>> been there for years.  Does anyone know if there are tie-down fees or
>> anything unusual I should know about?
>>
>> Tedd
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Tedd McHenry
>> Van's Air Force
>> Western Canada Wing
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>> www.vansairforce.org
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wing] Springbank (CYBW)
> To: "Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing" <wing@vansairforce.org>
> Message-ID: <20050526121721.R31661-100000@strongbad.retrix.com>
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>
> Gerry:
>
> Thanks for the information.  Hey, if you're in Springbank on the 3rd you 
> should
> "go the extra mile" and fly over to Langley for the Western Canada Wing 
> fly-in
> on the 4th.  You would definitely win our "Furthest Fly-in" award:  a 
> pewter
> mug -- woohoo!
>
> Tedd
>
> ---
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Van's Air Force
> Western Canada Wing
> tedd@vansairforce.org
> www.vansairforce.org
>
> On Thu, 26 May 2005, gerald conrad wrote:
>
>> Hello Ham;
>> I just called the Calgary Flying Club @ Springbank. 403-288-8831
>> No landing fee. Tie down at the club is $10.00/ night.
>> I called Springbank ESSO. If you buy gas, the first night parking is 
>> free.
>> Then $5.00/ night. 403-247-8833.
>> I'll be there with my RV-6A on June 03 & 04.
>> Gerry Conrad, Montreal
>> C-GCUN
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hamilton McClymont" <ham@hammcc.com>
>> To: "'Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing'" <wing@vansairforce.org>
>> Sent: Thu