[Wing] Fw: Wing digest, Vol 1 #195 - 8 msgs

[Jacob & Grace]

Thanks Terry, I can only imagine the frustration you must sometimes
experience.  I thank you for your efforts and clarification.
I didn't know I had to arrange a Transport Canada Inspection through the
MD-RA but if so that is what I will try to do.
I imagine you understand my frustration too, I did nothing wrong last time,
and all I want is the inspections a bureacrat is currently paid to do, and
is currently doing for everyone else up here.
No one I have ever met (yet) wants to fly an airplane that is not safe, and
I think we all know the paper work is part of the job like Dell says.  Maybe
call me directly if you have advice. Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T&M Elgood" <elgood at aebc.com>
To: <wing at vansairforce.org>
Cc: "Allan Mahon" <amahon at hitechcontrols.on.ca>; "Gerry Haliburton"
<md-ra at md-ra.com>; "Jim Asprey" <jasprey at attcanada.net>; "Dan McKeith"
<mckeith at telus.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:22 PM
Subject: [Wing] Fw: Wing digest, Vol 1 #195 - 8 msgs


> > Today's Topics:    With comments from Terry Elgood, MD-RA Chief
inspector
> for BC
> >
> >
> >   If you are not happy say how and why here.  I recieved really =
> > unprofessional service from one Transport Canada inspector during my =
> > last aircraft construction and made the mistake of complaining about him
=
> > in writing.  Now he is refusing to do inspections for me and insists I =
> > bring someone up from down south for my RV-8.  There is a whole serious
=
> > of events I can provide but suffice to say I am immersed in the turf =
> > wars between Transport Canada and MDRA.
>
>
> T.E.
> There is no "turf war" between MD-RA and Transport Canada. MD-RA has a
> contract with Transport Canada to provide inspection services to amateur
> built aircraft builders in Canada. If more information regarding this
> arrangement is required contact Allan Mahon, General Manager MD-RA
> Inspection Services
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have had Jim Asprey do my last 3 planes and would highly recommend you
=
> > ask for him when you need an inspection.
> > He is very thorough and is well qualified to the job. (he is building a
=
> > RV-6 ).
> > Bryan
>
> T.E.
> Thank you Bryan, I'm sure Jim appreciates your comments. You and your wife
> have built some beautiful airplanes.
>
>
> > From: "Franz Fux" <franz at lastfrontierheli.com>
>
> > Where does Jim Asprey live and do you have a contact number. I am
building
> > an RV7 and would love to have the opportunity of an independent
inspection
> > and or some suggestions some times along the building process
> > Franz Fux
> > Vernon
>
> T.E.
> Franz, there are two qualified inspectors in Kamloops, one of them will
> inspect your aircraft. I doubt you would consider the travel costs for Jim
> from White Rock.
>
>
>
> > From: "Del Schneider" <del at deltech.ca>
> >
> > I finished my RV6-A last November. Inspection and paper work was
virtually
> > seamless from start to finish with lots of help from the people at
MD-RA.
> I
> > know in a couple of instances I did not fill the paper out exactly
> > correctly, but had help at every angle from Gerry Halliburton in London,
> > Ont. and Terry Elgood in Vancouver and in particular the local inspector
> Dan
> > McKeith in Quesnel. When the 25 hour were completed I walked into the
> > Transport Canada office and had the paper work signed off in a couple of
> > hours. Sure it's a lot of paper work and a pain in the butt for those of
> us
> > that hate paper work but what the heck, you just spent years building
and
> > you did that right, now do the paper work correctly.
> >
>
> T.E.
> Del, thank you, I appreciate your comments and I'm sure Dan and Gerry will
> also. I doubt any of you would believe me if I told you the amount of time
I
> spend on this VOLUNTEER job, trying to HELP people.
>
>
>
>
>  Hi Jacob,
> >
> > >             Sorry, we are building in Whitehorse, Yukon (Two hours
North
> > of Skagway Alaska).  Transport Canada has an agreement with MD-RA that
> MDRA
> > will do inspections, "except where no inspector is available".
>
> T.E.
>
> Jacob, there is not much I can do to help you here, you may have to
request
> an inspection from Transport Canada through the MD-RA. If you are having
> "difficulty" with a local inspector, contact Allan Mahon he may be able to
> help you deal with Transport through his contacts.
>
>
>
>
> >                 The turf war begins because the MD-RA is very reluctant
to
> > say they want TC to do ANY inspections, so they are siding with TC in
this
> > case on principle I guess..
> > > -Rob
>
> T.E.
> Rob, not quite true. As I stated above, MD-RA has a contract. If a T.C.
> inspector gets involved without him being requested to through the proper
> channels he just might get a phone call from a certain individual back
east
> who carries a very big stick and is not reluctant to use it, it has
happened
> before.
>
>
> >
> >   [George McNutt] __ If you are not happy say how and why here.
> >
> >   Hi Jim,   - good idea!
> >
> >   I think that the MD-RA is trying to do a good job and has many fine
> > volunteers,
>
> T.E.
> George, thank you
>
>
>  but I also believe that MD-RA is handicapped by their inadequate
> > agreements with Transport.These problems mostly emanate from MD-RA and
> > Transport headquarters but are exasperated by some individuals who seem
to
> > think that their MD-RA training manual supercedes the CAR's.
>
> T.E.
> George, specifically, what "individuals-------training manual supercedes
the
> CARS"
>
>
>
>
> >   (1) Gross weight increase, - Despite already having kit manufacturers
> > letters on file MD-RA was insisting on a letter from the kit
manufacturer
> > (Vans) approving a gross weight increase for my individual aircraft
prior
> to
> > issuing a flight authorization. This seemed to be a case of the MD-RA
> > worrying about their own liability and ignoring what the CAR's said
about
> > the subject.
> >   My understanding is that this problem is now resolved with the builder
> > supplying a letter assuming liability for the heavier weight.
> >
> T.E.
> George, each aircraft is unique, like it or not it is. It is irrelevant
what
> is on file for the gross weight for similar aircraft. As I am sure you are
> aware Transport Canada form 24-0079 Application for C of A asks "was the
> design modified" prior to resolving this issue if the answer was yes (the
> gross weight was increased) the builder required a letter from the
designer
> allowing the increase, Vans would no longer do this. A new procedure was
> developed to allow a builder to increase the gross weight. Thank you for
> your help in resolving this situation. (why should MD-RA worry about
> liability, as an inspector I am working for and insured by Transport
Canada
> , if I wasn't do you think I would be doing this)
>
>
>
> T.E. personal comment
>
> It will be interesting to see what happens in a lawsuit when someone is
> killed in a over gross RV, the builder already has a noose around his neck
> as the manufacturer of an aircraft. I can just imagine the fake
indignation
> of some lawyer saying you mean to tell me you willingly flew the aircraft
> over it's RECOMMENDED design limits. When they get finished with him he
will
> be eating dog food and living under a bridge.
>
>
>
> >   (2) MD-RA's inability to modify initial operating limitations - The 25
> > mile operating radius limitation at airports such as Boundary Bay can be
a
> > safety hazard. >
>
> T.E.
> George, at your request I brought this up at a meeting in Ontario. Prior
to
> the meeting I reviewed the situation with Transport Canada locally, they
> were in agreement that I should be allowed to provide an exemption to the
25
> mile rule, similar to that provided then and now. At the Ont. meeting,
> Transport agreed, when I returned home he changed his mind. Believe me I
> tried.
>
> T.E.
> Jim Jewell, thank you for starting this discussion, there appears to be a
> lot of misunderstanding about MD-RA. I hope this clears up some questions.
> Are you the Jim that Larry introduced me to at Langley last weekend, if
you
> are it's too bad you didn't join in our conversation, it would have been
> interesting to talk to you.
>
>
>
>
>
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