From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Jan 2 17:27:53 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question Message-ID: Does anybody have any good tips for deburring holes in tight places? I'm thinking of locations such as the insides of control-surface ribs near the tip, where there's no room to get a normal deburring tool in. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From wjoke at shaw.ca Wed Jan 2 18:14:57 2002 From: wjoke at shaw.ca (Jim Oke) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question References: Message-ID: <00a201c193fc$88dcd4e0$6401a8c0@cd708596a> Hi Tedd, All I did was use a very thin flat file to get the worst of the chips from drilling the hole off. Then some scotchbrite to generally smooth things over. Not a true "countersunk" deburr, but more of a "best available" solution. Try Cdn Tire or Princess Auto for a "needle" file set. A few dollars for a set of 6 or 8 small files. Handy for doing odd corners and angles throughout the project. One tip, use fluting pliers or similar to open up the rib flange to get your dimpling set or whatever in place, dimple to taste, then re-bend the flange to 90 deg. Also if the skin holes are not drilled as yet, try and offset the top & bottom surface holes towards the aft end of the rib by 3/16 - 1/4 in or so. This will be a help when it comes time to try and rivet in this area. A Princess Auto "splitting wedge", normally used for chopping up logs for your fireplace, is a reasonable substitute for a normal bucking bar in this area too. The pop rivet route is another way to go. Jim Oke CYWG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" <> To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question > Does anybody have any good tips for deburring holes in tight places? I'm > thinking of locations such as the insides of control-surface ribs near the tip, > where there's no room to get a normal deburring tool in. > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Jan 2 18:32:39 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question Message-ID: Jim: Exellent suggestions, thanks! I wish I'd heard of that splitting wedge idea a while ago. I spent hours grinding a tapered bucking bar from raw stock, and I already have a splitting wedge in my garage! Tedd From mdeg at shaw.ca Wed Jan 2 19:39:45 2002 From: mdeg at shaw.ca (Marc Degirolamo) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question References: Message-ID: <006e01c19408$8e262bc0$05e64218@ss.shawcable.net> Hi Ted.......I used a .025 feeler guage to debur alot of holes when nothing else would work......It is stiff enough and the edge is sharp enough to cut the bur off the edge of the hole (which is all you really have to do anyway). A piece of emery cloth or scotchbrite will finish the job.... Marc DeGirolamo C-FRVE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:27 PM Subject: [Wing] Deburring Question > Does anybody have any good tips for deburring holes in tight places? I'm > thinking of locations such as the insides of control-surface ribs near the tip, > where there's no room to get a normal deburring tool in. > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Jan 4 09:47:34 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In Message-ID: The Langley Aero Club (LAC) is planning an RV fly-in this summer, at Langley airport (CYNJ). I'd like to find out what sorts of things Wing members would like to see at the fly-in. LAC has several things already in mind: o RV training with Mike Seager o a "people's choice" award for the best RV o seminars or presentations on RV building and flying o food of some kind Do these ideas appeal to you? What are your preferences? What other events or activities would you like to see? If you're outside the Fraser Valley area, what sorts of things would motivate you to come to the Langley fly-in? If there are seminars or presentations, what topics would you like to see covered? You can write me directly at the address below, or reply to this list, with your ideas. Thanks, Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From reagleston at ibigroup.com Fri Jan 4 10:56:22 2002 From: reagleston at ibigroup.com (Ron Eagleston) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ted, As I am hoping to have my 8A completed within the next 10 months training with Mike Seager would be a great option. Ron Ron Eagleston IBI Group reagleston@ibigroup.com tel. (604) 683-8797 fax. (604) 683-0492 NOTE: This e-mail message and attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. > From: Tedd McHenry > Reply-To: wing@vansairforce.org > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:47:34 -0800 (PST) > To: Western Canada Wing List > Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In > > > The Langley Aero Club (LAC) is planning an RV fly-in this summer, at Langley > airport (CYNJ). I'd like to find out what sorts of things Wing members would > like to see at the fly-in. LAC has several things already in mind: > > o RV training with Mike Seager o a "people's choice" award for the best RV o > seminars or presentations on RV building and flying o food of some kind > > Do these ideas appeal to you? What are your preferences? What other events > or > activities would you like to see? If you're outside the Fraser Valley area, > what sorts of things would motivate you to come to the Langley fly-in? If > there are seminars or presentations, what topics would you like to see > covered? > > You can write me directly at the address below, or reply to this list, with > your ideas. > > Thanks, > > Tedd > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From fvalarm at rapidnet.net Fri Jan 4 11:50:25 2002 From: fvalarm at rapidnet.net (B. Tomm) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In References: Message-ID: <001701c19559$0ef8d120$aa8d35d1@cheryls> Tedd I'm very interested in attending (if not assisting) keep me informed. Bevan Abbotsford starting wings RV7A From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Jan 4 12:25:53 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:14 2005 Subject: [Wing] Email Address Help Message-ID: I have incorrect email addresses for the following Wing members. If you have the correct address for any of them, please send it to me so I can revise the membership list. Jensen, David Kelowna , BC drjensen@uniserve.com Sager, Jim Chilliwack, BC jsager@uniserve.com Mead, Jim Kamloops, BC Jim_Mead@bc.sympatico.ca Demchuk, Clarence Regina, SK ced912@hotmail.com Cox, Ken Sardis, BC ken_maxine_cox@hotmail.com Strike, TK. Sanford, NC www.eliteagency242@bellsouth.net Loewen, Burton Steinbach, MB stefurn@login.mb.sympatico.ca Gervais, Paul Olds, AB paul.gervais@gov.ab.ca Hurlbut, Steve Lazo, BC shurlbut@island.net Woodard, Don Spokane, WA aerorivit@netscape.net Thanks, Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From rdkennett at shaw.ca Sat Jan 5 22:40:42 2002 From: rdkennett at shaw.ca (Della & Robert Kennett) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In References: Message-ID: <000901c1967d$1087d3e0$f4aa4318@ok.shawcable.net> Tedd: This sounds like a great idea. Do you know yet when it will happen? With some luck, I might even be able to fly my 6A down to it. I should have the first flight by early summer, or perhaps sooner depending how the fibreglass work goes... If you have some seminars, one that my wife would be interested in is "what to take for overnight camping in an RV?". We used to enjoy going over to Texada or Tofino in the 172 and hope to do similar trips in the RV. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: January 4, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-In > The Langley Aero Club (LAC) is planning an RV fly-in this summer, at Langley > airport (CYNJ). I'd like to find out what sorts of things Wing members would > like to see at the fly-in. LAC has several things already in mind: > > o RV training with Mike Seager o a "people's choice" award for the best RV o > seminars or presentations on RV building and flying o food of some kind > > Do these ideas appeal to you? What are your preferences? What other events or > activities would you like to see? If you're outside the Fraser Valley area, > what sorts of things would motivate you to come to the Langley fly-in? If > there are seminars or presentations, what topics would you like to see covered? > > You can write me directly at the address below, or reply to this list, with > your ideas. > > Thanks, > > Tedd > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Jan 9 22:30:44 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] RV Operating Instructions and Checklists Message-ID: I've just made some long-overdue additions to the Wing web site, under the section "RV Operating Instructions and Checklists." We now have: RV-6A Pilot's Operating Handbook -------------------------------- by Scott Gesele formats: HTML; MS Word (4.6 MB); PDF (3.8 MB) RV-4 Pilot's Operating Handbook ------------------------------- (original author unknown) formats: HTML; MS Word (5.8 MB); PDF (2.7 MB) RV Flight Test Log Cards ------------------------ by Randy Pflanzer and Clay Smith formats: HTML; MS Word Roger Hopkinson's Pilot Operating Handbook ------------------------------------------ (link to another site) Homer Rogers's Annual Inspection Procedure ------------------------------------------ by Homer Rogers formats: HTML; MS Word (37 KB); PDF (82 KB) --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From rdkennett at shaw.ca Sat Jan 12 09:10:53 2002 From: rdkennett at shaw.ca (Della & Robert Kennett) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Microballoons Message-ID: <001801c19b8c$17fbf700$f4aa4318@ok.shawcable.net> I have a couple of small dents that I would like to fill. Early in my project, the inspector said that if I had some inperfections (I didn't have any at that time....) , they could be filled with microballoons. Is this good advice? What sort of preparation would be needed? Should the surface be primed first or would scuffing/etching be sufficient? The other product I have considered is Superfil, but I already have some epoxy resin and microballoons for the fibreglass work. Thanks Rob Kennett, Westbank BC RV6A (wiring and other loose ends) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020112/d477ffa8/attachment.htm From tedd at vansairforce.org Sat Jan 12 17:04:45 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] 2002 Schedule of Events Message-ID: Thanks to Ken Hoshowski, we now have a schedule of fly-ins and other aviation events for BC on the Wing web site. You can see it at http://www.vansairforce.org/events/fly-in-out_2002.html If you'd like to add an event to this schedule, for western Canada or nearby states, please send the information to me (tedd@vansairforce.org). --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From mdeg at shaw.ca Sat Jan 12 19:07:13 2002 From: mdeg at shaw.ca (Marc Degirolamo) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Microballoons References: <001801c19b8c$17fbf700$f4aa4318@ok.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <004201c19bdf$66a3aee0$05e64218@ss.shawcable.net> If the dent is in the aluminum I would just use a automotive type of filler such as bondo or any other lightweight filler......clean and scuff aluminum first and apply.....sand smoth with a block sander, feathering all edges. Epoxy with microballoons is OK too, but will want to slump as epoxy takes longer to set up than polyester resins......mix to the consistency of dry peanut butter and apply. Marc RV-4....flying ----- Original Message ----- From: Della & Robert Kennett To: wing@vansairforce.org Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [Wing] Microballoons I have a couple of small dents that I would like to fill. Early in my project, the inspector said that if I had some inperfections (I didn't have any at that time....) , they could be filled with microballoons. Is this good advice? What sort of preparation would be needed? Should the surface be primed first or would scuffing/etching be sufficient? The other product I have considered is Superfil, but I already have some epoxy resin and microballoons for the fibreglass work. Thanks Rob Kennett, Westbank BC RV6A (wiring and other loose ends) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020112/3950d3b0/attachment.htm From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Jan 15 15:00:59 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Help With Your C of A Application Message-ID: Thanks to Terry Elgood, MD-RA Regional Chief Inspector for BC, we now have a new feature on the Wing web site. It's an article Terry wrote that is intented to help you work your way through the calculations on Form 24-0079. If you're at that stage in your project, give it a try and let me know if it helps. Also, please pass on any errors you find, or suggestions you have to improve it. Terry wrote up the calculations, and I've checked it for typos, but there's always the possibility of something slipping through. Tedd --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From acornyn at telusplanet.net Tue Jan 15 18:32:49 2002 From: acornyn at telusplanet.net (Al Cornyn) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Brag References: Message-ID: <000701c19e36$17bd5070$231db8a1@USER> My nineteen year ol daughter soloed today! I'm the proud Dad. I think that I am more excited than she is.. If any one wants to abuse her, her email is kran@mailcity.com Al RV-6 flying From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [Wing] 2002 Schedule of Events > Thanks to Ken Hoshowski, we now have a schedule of fly-ins and other aviation > events for BC on the Wing web site. You can see it at > > http://www.vansairforce.org/events/fly-in-out_2002.html > > If you'd like to add an event to this schedule, for western Canada or nearby > states, please send the information to me (tedd@vansairforce.org). > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From dgmurray at telusplanet.net Wed Jan 16 06:07:54 2002 From: dgmurray at telusplanet.net (Douglas G. Murray) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Brag References: <000701c19e36$17bd5070$231db8a1@USER> Message-ID: <000b01c19e97$31d3d0e0$7a1ab8a1@dgmurray> Al - You will have to start wearing T-shirts so you won't pop your buttons ! What an awesome accomplishment for her. Did she do it in the RV? If so then you might HAVE to build another bird just so you will hve something to flt:-)) Soon you Thursday, Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Cornyn To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [Wing] Brag > My nineteen year ol daughter soloed today! I'm the proud Dad. I think that > I am more excited than she is.. If any one wants to abuse her, her email is > kran@mailcity.com Al RV-6 flying > From: "Tedd McHenry" > To: "Western Canada Wing List" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:04 PM > Subject: [Wing] 2002 Schedule of Events > > > > Thanks to Ken Hoshowski, we now have a schedule of fly-ins and other > aviation > > events for BC on the Wing web site. You can see it at > > > > http://www.vansairforce.org/events/fly-in-out_2002.html > > > > If you'd like to add an event to this schedule, for western Canada or > nearby > > states, please send the information to me (tedd@vansairforce.org). > > > > --- > > > > Tedd McHenry > > Van's Air Force > > Western Canada Wing > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From acwrench at yahoo.ca Thu Jan 24 08:50:49 2002 From: acwrench at yahoo.ca (pat morency) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Re: wing thing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020124165049.65866.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Has anyone recently completed or in the process of completing the wings on an RV-6. I have some questions regarding the flap brace and when it is installed. Also does the stub rib have to be put in with 9 rivets ( 5 from the aileron bracket and 4 flush on the rear spar Thanks for the feed back. Pat Morency --- Tedd McHenry wrote: > Pat: > > I can't think of anyone currently working on the > wings, off the top of my head. > I'm just about to start the wings. But there are > lots of people on the list > who have completed -6 wings. You might try sending > out a question to the list. > Just send an email to wing@vansairforce.org. Your > questions are bound to spark > an interesting discussion. > > What sort of problems have you run into? Whatever > they are, I'm sure I'll be > facing them soon, too. > > Tedd > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, pat morency wrote: > > > Tedd, > > Do you know of anyone in your mailing list who is > now > > working on their wing set of an RV6. I seem to be > > running into a wall in a few areas. > > Thanks, > > Pat Morency/Calgary > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! > http://website.yahoo.ca > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca From wjoke at shaw.ca Thu Jan 24 12:07:31 2002 From: wjoke at shaw.ca (Jim Oke) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Re: wing thing References: <20020124165049.65866.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c1a512$c223b940$6401a8c0@cd708596a> Hi Pat (and Tedd); I finished my wings about six months ago (well, I'm at the 99% stage and holding) so perhaps I can comment. The flap brace can be left fairly late in the game but some preparation early on will help. Try and predict where flap brace rivets in the aft spar will fall and then leave the rib-to-rear spar rivets at these locations undrilled until fitting the flap brace. You want to drill through the flap brace, the rear spar, and a wing rib (aft flange) together to avoid extra holes that are close together. I riveted the bottom skins on, then fitted and riveted the flap brace and then riveted the top skin on (after my DABA inspection.) The plans are not that descriptive at the root end of the spar brace - where it over laps the extra 1/8" doubler for the 5/16 spar bolt location. Check the photos in the manual for an idea of how the cut out in this area goes. Again, avoid drilling the doubler to aft spar holes in the flap brace area too early. These should be drilled as one if at all possible. There is a tendency to let the let the brace get "pushed down" in this area which will cause a bend in the flap hinge line - use a straight edge on the lower surface to avoid. This may mean that the top edge of the brace will require some notches to be filed in it to clear the top row of rivets in the doubler. While on the subject of the aft spar, also look ahead to the aileron gap seal installation. Rib-to-spar hole drilling is not a problem but the lower rivets should be 426s vice 470s to have a smooth surface for the bottom of the gap seal to rest on. The stub rib needs some care in drilling the holes. I would suggest a few 3/32 flush rivets spaced in between the "final" 1/8 rivets to hold things in place. (The plans show this for the outer bracket already). If you are able to get along with clamps only in this area until drilling the inner aileron bracket, that would be even better. Assuming you have the PP skins, then the skins will determine the rib's location and the rib-to-spar rivets are less of a factor. The "final" five 1/8 bracket-to-spar rivets will be ample strength to hold the stub rib in place - no need for the "standard" four rivets the other ribs require as well. BTW, I drilled the outer bracket first and then used my completed ailerons (with the hinge fittings installed on the brackets with the spacers and other hardware) to set the location of the inner bracket. I don't think I even bothered measuring anything spanwise. Vertical location does count though so pay some attention to this to preserve the airfoil shape. Try and get a look at a flying RV-6 to get a feel for the size and shape of aileron pushrod hole in the spar. The plans are quite far off of this - a kidney shaped hole angling up and in to almost the top spar flange is actually needed vice a square hole lower down per dwg 21. Cut early and large and you will save a lot of tedious labour later on. Make it good and big - that's why the big .063 doubter is there. Glad to help with more questions, as you have them. Jim Oke Wpg RV-3 (flies sometimes) RV-6A (wiring & cowl stuff) ----- Original Message ----- From: "pat morency" To: "Tedd McHenry" Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:50 AM Subject: [Wing] Re: wing thing > Has anyone recently completed or in the process of > completing the wings on an RV-6. I have some questions > regarding the flap brace and when it is installed. > Also does the stub rib have to be put in with 9 rivets > ( 5 from the aileron bracket and 4 flush on the rear > spar > Thanks for the feed back. > Pat Morency > --- Tedd McHenry wrote: > > Pat: > > > > I can't think of anyone currently working on the > > wings, off the top of my head. > > I'm just about to start the wings. But there are > > lots of people on the list > > who have completed -6 wings. You might try sending > > out a question to the list. > > Just send an email to wing@vansairforce.org. Your > > questions are bound to spark > > an interesting discussion. > > > > What sort of problems have you run into? Whatever > > they are, I'm sure I'll be > > facing them soon, too. > > > > Tedd > > > > --- > > > > Tedd McHenry > > Van's Air Force > > Western Canada Wing > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, pat morency wrote: > > > > > Tedd, > > > Do you know of anyone in your mailing list who is > > now > > > working on their wing set of an RV6. I seem to be > > > running into a wall in a few areas. > > > Thanks, > > > Pat Morency/Calgary > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! > > http://website.yahoo.ca > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Feb 1 14:04:16 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] ANR Headset Comparison Message-ID: Thanks to Rob Prior, we have a new article on the Wing web site comparing four popular models of ANR headsets: the David Clark 10-13XL, Flightcom Denali, Lightspeed 20XL, and Lightspeed QFR Cross Country. Rob and his cohorts performed detailed labratory and in-flight tests of the headsets. It's a good read, and very valuable information if you're in the market for headsets. http://www.vansairforce.org/misc/headsets/ --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From wordeng at telus.net Sat Feb 2 16:07:01 2002 From: wordeng at telus.net (George Worden) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP Message-ID: After 490 hours and maybe 2000 starts I had a massive failure- broke the starter casting right off. It appears that somehow the starter pinion managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. Minor scars to the ring gear but the starter is toast. Any other experience out there? Any idea how this could happen? And no, the starter was not loose on its mounts. George Worden From tedd at vansairforce.org Sat Feb 2 15:45:08 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George: > It appears that somehow the starter pinion > managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. I'm wondering if the chain of events was the reverse, i.e. the starter casting cracked, allowing the pinion to climb out of the ring gear. There is a considerable force spreading those gears apart when the pinion is driving the ring gear. There's even more if the pinion doesn't disengage soon enough, so that the ring gear drives the pinion momentarily. The starter housing may have developed a fatigue crack that eventually spread far enough to allow the gears to push themselves apart. It's also possible that the pinion had not been disengaging properly for a while, which might have led to the fatigue crack in the first place. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, George Worden wrote: > After 490 hours and maybe 2000 starts I had a massive failure- broke the > starter casting right off. It appears that somehow the starter pinion > managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. Minor scars to the ring gear > but the starter is toast. > Any other experience out there? Any idea how this could happen? And no, the > starter was not loose on its mounts. > > George Worden > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From 2w at telus.net Sat Feb 2 16:43:15 2002 From: 2w at telus.net (Bill Robson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP References: Message-ID: <001201c1ac4b$d03a7060$ace8b440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Hello George There is a a sky-tec starter new on www. e-bay.com present bid is $192.00 USD. Regards Bill Robson From ebowhay at jetstream.net Sat Feb 2 20:23:46 2002 From: ebowhay at jetstream.net (Eustace Bowhay) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP References: Message-ID: <000001c1ac6b$b78af560$acbb17cf@ebowhay> Hi George: Had a crack start near one of the bolts on my original starter some years back. As I recall I called Sky Tec and returned the starter to them and they replaced it with one that had a heavier casting, believe they gave me some credit for the cracked one. Will try to run the paper trail down on this in the next day or so and let you know if I have the details right, in any event it wouldn't hurt to give them a call. Eustace ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Worden" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP > After 490 hours and maybe 2000 starts I had a massive failure- broke the > starter casting right off. It appears that somehow the starter pinion > managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. Minor scars to the ring gear > but the starter is toast. > Any other experience out there? Any idea how this could happen? And no, the > starter was not loose on its mounts. > > George Worden > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From wordeng at telus.net Sat Feb 2 20:24:03 2002 From: wordeng at telus.net (George Worden) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP References: <000001c1ac6b$b78af560$acbb17cf@ebowhay> Message-ID: <000a01c1ac6a$9d282810$f206b38e@ibmfb11191> Eustace: Thanks for the information.I will give them a call. However in this case there is no indication of a previous crack- just looks like a single overload. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eustace Bowhay" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP > Hi George: > > Had a crack start near one of the bolts on my original starter some years > back. As I recall I called Sky Tec and returned the starter to them and > they replaced it with one that had a heavier casting, believe they gave me > some credit for the cracked one. > > Will try to run the paper trail down on this in the next day or so and let > you know if I have the details right, in any event it wouldn't hurt to give > them a call. > > Eustace > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Worden" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:07 PM > Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP > > > > After 490 hours and maybe 2000 starts I had a massive failure- broke the > > starter casting right off. It appears that somehow the starter pinion > > managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. Minor scars to the ring gear > > but the starter is toast. > > Any other experience out there? Any idea how this could happen? And no, > the > > starter was not loose on its mounts. > > > > George Worden > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From jayeandscott at shaw.ca Sat Feb 2 23:34:43 2002 From: jayeandscott at shaw.ca (Jaye and Scott Jackson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP References: Message-ID: <01ff01c1ac85$41398100$0200a8c0@vc.shawcable.net> Is there any chance that the starter gear was not the same tooth pitch as the ring gear. I know they come in two sizes and I don't even know if they can be bolted together if they're not.... Scott in Vancouver Thanks for the ride last summer and talking me through my back-seat landing.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Worden" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP > After 490 hours and maybe 2000 starts I had a massive failure- broke the > starter casting right off. It appears that somehow the starter pinion > managed to climb up on top of the ring gear. Minor scars to the ring gear > but the starter is toast. > Any other experience out there? Any idea how this could happen? And no, the > starter was not loose on its mounts. > > George Worden > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at mchenry.ca Sat Feb 2 21:24:50 2002 From: tedd at mchenry.ca (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP In-Reply-To: <000a01c1ac6a$9d282810$f206b38e@ibmfb11191> Message-ID: > However in > this case there is no indication of a previous crack- just looks like a > single overload. George: In that case, my guess for a cause would be that a piece of debris got in between the gears and forced them apart. I've heard of that spliting a whole transmission in two; if so it could definitely crack your starter housing. Tedd From hwregget at shaw.ca Sun Feb 3 09:49:50 2002 From: hwregget at shaw.ca (Harv Wregget) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Re: Jabiru Engines References: Message-ID: <007201c1acdb$2deb5fa0$ade94118@cg.shawcable.net> Tedd McHenry, I read your message on Jabiru Engines last year and now I wonder if you might offer an opinion on the aero diesel engine under development now. Except for possible cold weather starting problems, it sounds ideal to me. Am I missing something? Here is the link: http://www.deltahawkengines.com/econom00.htm Thanks, Harv Wregget From tedd at vansairforce.org Sun Feb 3 10:46:06 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Re: Jabiru Engines In-Reply-To: <007201c1acdb$2deb5fa0$ade94118@cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: Harv: I haven't been following the DeltaHawk, specifically, all that closely. But I think diesel aircraft engines have a very strong future. There's a good article about some of the European diesel aircraft engines in the November, 2001 issue of Flyer, a magazine from the UK. Reading between the lines, it appears that diesel aircraft engines are a done deal, so far as the Europeans are concerned. Because of the diesel's greater efficiency, and especially because of the fuel taxes in Europe, the cost savings with a diesel are enormous over there. However, the economics of diesels in North America is quite different. Europeans are prepared to pay more, up front, for a diesel engine, with the promise of significantly lower operating costs. The European diesel manufacturers aren't claiming that they can match the up-front price of a Lycoming. In North America, however, with a much lower cost of fuel, customers are more interested in up-front cost. This is particularly true in the homebuilt market. It appears that a lot of what drives the experimental engine movement in North America is the goal of lower up-front cost than a Lycoming, or perhaps better performance for the same cost. Consider the two most popular new engines for RVs, the Chevy V6 and the Mazda rotary. Neither engine can match a Lycoming's fuel efficiency. But either one can give you similar performance for less money or, in the case of the rotary, and with some engineering, better performance for about the same money. The goal of the NASA/GAP diesel engine program is somewhere between the European model and the V6/rotary model. They're aiming to keep the cost down through lower parts count (and government-subsidized development!), and gain the fuel efficiency advantages of a diesel for about the same up-front cost as a Lycoming, maybe a bit lower. I don't know where the DeltaHawk fits into that picture. To be successful, I think they need to sell for not just less than list price for a Lycoming, but also less than the discounted price that most Lycoming customers get these days, through Van's, Lancair, Sequoia, or whomever. That will be very hard to do, since the development cost of a Lycoming is already amortized long ago. Also, the heavily discounted price that Van's and other companies get make it clear that Textron-Lycoming is milking the piston engine market, and will drop their list prices significantly if they ever get much competition. To me that makes what DeltaHawk is trying to do very difficult. I believe the best hope for a viable alternative to Lycomings in the 150-200 Hp range, which the homebuilt market badly needs, lies in two areas. The first is engines built overseas, in places with lower cost of production. The Jabiru is the best example I know of. With the Australian dollar hovering around 50 cents U.S., and using modern design and manufacturing techniques, Jabiru can produce a superior engine for less cost. They're already doing this in the 80-120 HP range. The new 180 HP engine will probably prove to be superior to a Lycoming also, and at a lower price, although it's obviously too early to claim that yet. The second place we'll get alternatives to Lycoming is in home-grown development of auto conversions, and the leading candidate there is the Mazda rotary. Rotary homebuilders are beginning to organize themselves along the lines of the open-source software movement. This is a very efficient way to do engineering development, and I have very high hope for this movement. In much the same way that open source software provides a viable alternative to the near-monopoly of Microsoft (including, for example, the software that runs this email group), a homebuilder-based movement of rotary engine deveopment could provide a viable alternative to the near-monopoly of Lycoming in the 150-200 HP engine market. As for the technical merit of the DeltaHawk engine, I can't really comment because I haven't looked at it that closely. Tedd From hwregget at shaw.ca Sun Feb 3 20:26:40 2002 From: hwregget at shaw.ca (Harv Wregget) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] DeltaHawk Diesel References: Message-ID: <000601c1ad34$24e55b00$ade94118@cg.shawcable.net> Thanks for the quick reply Tedd. DeltaHawk plans to sell their 200 hp engine for $18,000 US, about 2/3 the cost of the IO360A2. It sounds too good to be true, but just in case their numbers prove correct, I have listed myself with them for delivery for no money down. Now I better get to work on a RV 8. Thanks again, Harv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Wing] Re: Jabiru Engines > Harv: > > I haven't been following the DeltaHawk, specifically, all that closely. But I > think diesel aircraft engines have a very strong future. There's a good > article about some of the European diesel aircraft engines in the November, > 2001 issue of Flyer, a magazine from the UK. Reading between the lines, it > appears that diesel aircraft engines are a done deal, so far as the Europeans > are concerned. Because of the diesel's greater efficiency, and especially > because of the fuel taxes in Europe, the cost savings with a diesel are > enormous over there. > > However, the economics of diesels in North America is quite different. > Europeans are prepared to pay more, up front, for a diesel engine, with the > promise of significantly lower operating costs. The European diesel > manufacturers aren't claiming that they can match the up-front price of a > Lycoming. In North America, however, with a much lower cost of fuel, customers > are more interested in up-front cost. This is particularly true in the > homebuilt market. It appears that a lot of what drives the experimental engine > movement in North America is the goal of lower up-front cost than a Lycoming, > or perhaps better performance for the same cost. Consider the two most popular > new engines for RVs, the Chevy V6 and the Mazda rotary. Neither engine can > match a Lycoming's fuel efficiency. But either one can give you similar > performance for less money or, in the case of the rotary, and with some > engineering, better performance for about the same money. > > The goal of the NASA/GAP diesel engine program is somewhere between the > European model and the V6/rotary model. They're aiming to keep the cost down > through lower parts count (and government-subsidized development!), and gain > the fuel efficiency advantages of a diesel for about the same up-front cost as > a Lycoming, maybe a bit lower. I don't know where the DeltaHawk fits into that > picture. To be successful, I think they need to sell for not just less than > list price for a Lycoming, but also less than the discounted price that most > Lycoming customers get these days, through Van's, Lancair, Sequoia, or > whomever. That will be very hard to do, since the development cost of a > Lycoming is already amortized long ago. Also, the heavily discounted price > that Van's and other companies get make it clear that Textron-Lycoming is > milking the piston engine market, and will drop their list prices significantly > if they ever get much competition. To me that makes what DeltaHawk is trying > to do very difficult. > > I believe the best hope for a viable alternative to Lycomings in the 150-200 Hp > range, which the homebuilt market badly needs, lies in two areas. The first is > engines built overseas, in places with lower cost of production. The Jabiru is > the best example I know of. With the Australian dollar hovering around 50 > cents U.S., and using modern design and manufacturing techniques, Jabiru can > produce a superior engine for less cost. They're already doing this in the > 80-120 HP range. The new 180 HP engine will probably prove to be superior to a > Lycoming also, and at a lower price, although it's obviously too early to claim > that yet. The second place we'll get alternatives to Lycoming is in home-grown > development of auto conversions, and the leading candidate there is the Mazda > rotary. Rotary homebuilders are beginning to organize themselves along the > lines of the open-source software movement. This is a very efficient way to do > engineering development, and I have very high hope for this movement. In much > the same way that open source software provides a viable alternative to the > near-monopoly of Microsoft (including, for example, the software that runs this > email group), a homebuilder-based movement of rotary engine deveopment could > provide a viable alternative to the near-monopoly of Lycoming in the 150-200 HP > engine market. > > As for the technical merit of the DeltaHawk engine, I can't really comment > because I haven't looked at it that closely. > > Tedd > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From hwregget at shaw.ca Sun Feb 3 20:38:09 2002 From: hwregget at shaw.ca (Harv Wregget) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Re-subscribe Message-ID: <002701c1ad35$bfe348a0$ade94118@cg.shawcable.net> I think I am still on your member list, but I took myself off your mailing list last year due to all the junk mail and viruses. My e-mail has changed since then; I have changed from @home.com to @shaw.ca. I'd re-subscribe myself but I can't get into your site. I don't remember my password. Can you help? Harv Wregget -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020203/dfb08c2b/attachment.htm From dgmurray at telusplanet.net Sun Feb 3 20:04:16 2002 From: dgmurray at telusplanet.net (Douglas G. Murray) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP References: Message-ID: <001a01c1ad31$04a1cd40$be19b8a1@dgmurray> I hate to be the one that points to the real trouble - BUT- I have seen this many times and it happens right after someone inadvertantly engages the starter AFTER the engine is already running - usually right while they are checking the mags on run up and returning the key to the both position. If the key goes past the run postion and hits the start mode the drive gear will hit the ring gear and the nose housing gets broken. If the housing is lucky enough to survive then the armature windings may get spun off from being spun to fast. Hope this helps, Doug Murray C-GRPA Flying and up to 13 hours - I do wish the wind would calm down so I can aviate some more:-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Tedd McHenry To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] Sky Tec Starter model 149-12 PM -RV4, 180HP > > However in > > this case there is no indication of a previous crack- just looks like a > > single overload. > > George: > > In that case, my guess for a cause would be that a piece of debris got in > between the gears and forced them apart. I've heard of that spliting a whole > transmission in two; if so it could definitely crack your starter housing. > > Tedd > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From rv7 at b4.ca Sun Feb 3 22:41:57 2002 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] DeltaHawk Diesel References: <000601c1ad34$24e55b00$ade94118@cg.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <3C5E2D35.7090107@b4.ca> Does Deltahawk have a website? At $18KUS it's a just a dream in my mind, but what the heck, no point in discounting anything when i'm at least four years from needing it... 8-) Rob Prior RV-7 Empennage Harv Wregget wrote: >Thanks for the quick reply Tedd. DeltaHawk plans to sell their 200 hp >engine for $18,000 US, about 2/3 the cost of the IO360A2. It sounds too >good to be true, but just in case their numbers prove correct, I have listed >myself with them for delivery for no money down. Now I better get to work >on a RV 8. > >Thanks again, > >Harv > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tedd McHenry" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:46 AM >Subject: Re: [Wing] Re: Jabiru Engines > > >>Harv: >> >>I haven't been following the DeltaHawk, specifically, all that closely. >> >But I > >>think diesel aircraft engines have a very strong future. There's a good >>article about some of the European diesel aircraft engines in the >> >November, > >>2001 issue of Flyer, a magazine from the UK. Reading between the lines, >> >it > >>appears that diesel aircraft engines are a done deal, so far as the >> >Europeans > >>are concerned. Because of the diesel's greater efficiency, and especially >>because of the fuel taxes in Europe, the cost savings with a diesel are >>enormous over there. >> >>However, the economics of diesels in North America is quite different. >>Europeans are prepared to pay more, up front, for a diesel engine, with >> >the > >>promise of significantly lower operating costs. The European diesel >>manufacturers aren't claiming that they can match the up-front price of a >>Lycoming. In North America, however, with a much lower cost of fuel, >> >customers > >>are more interested in up-front cost. This is particularly true in the >>homebuilt market. It appears that a lot of what drives the experimental >> >engine > >>movement in North America is the goal of lower up-front cost than a >> >Lycoming, > >>or perhaps better performance for the same cost. Consider the two most >> >popular > >>new engines for RVs, the Chevy V6 and the Mazda rotary. Neither engine >> >can > >>match a Lycoming's fuel efficiency. But either one can give you similar >>performance for less money or, in the case of the rotary, and with some >>engineering, better performance for about the same money. >> >>The goal of the NASA/GAP diesel engine program is somewhere between the >>European model and the V6/rotary model. They're aiming to keep the cost >> >down > >>through lower parts count (and government-subsidized development!), and >> >gain > >>the fuel efficiency advantages of a diesel for about the same up-front >> >cost as > >>a Lycoming, maybe a bit lower. I don't know where the DeltaHawk fits into >> >that > >>picture. To be successful, I think they need to sell for not just less >> >than > >>list price for a Lycoming, but also less than the discounted price that >> >most > >>Lycoming customers get these days, through Van's, Lancair, Sequoia, or >>whomever. That will be very hard to do, since the development cost of a >>Lycoming is already amortized long ago. Also, the heavily discounted >> >price > >>that Van's and other companies get make it clear that Textron-Lycoming is >>milking the piston engine market, and will drop their list prices >> >significantly > >>if they ever get much competition. To me that makes what DeltaHawk is >> >trying > >>to do very difficult. >> >>I believe the best hope for a viable alternative to Lycomings in the >> >150-200 Hp > >>range, which the homebuilt market badly needs, lies in two areas. The >> >first is > >>engines built overseas, in places with lower cost of production. The >> >Jabiru is > >>the best example I know of. With the Australian dollar hovering around 50 >>cents U.S., and using modern design and manufacturing techniques, Jabiru >> >can > >>produce a superior engine for less cost. They're already doing this in >> >the > >>80-120 HP range. The new 180 HP engine will probably prove to be superior >> >to a > >>Lycoming also, and at a lower price, although it's obviously too early to >> >claim > >>that yet. The second place we'll get alternatives to Lycoming is in >> >home-grown > >>development of auto conversions, and the leading candidate there is the >> >Mazda > >>rotary. Rotary homebuilders are beginning to organize themselves along >> >the > >>lines of the open-source software movement. This is a very efficient way >> >to do > >>engineering development, and I have very high hope for this movement. In >> >much > >>the same way that open source software provides a viable alternative to >> >the > >>near-monopoly of Microsoft (including, for example, the software that runs >> >this > >>email group), a homebuilder-based movement of rotary engine deveopment >> >could > >>provide a viable alternative to the near-monopoly of Lycoming in the >> >150-200 HP > >>engine market. >> >>As for the technical merit of the DeltaHawk engine, I can't really comment >>because I haven't looked at it that closely. >> >>Tedd >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wing mailing list >>Wing@vansairforce.org >>http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wing mailing list >Wing@vansairforce.org >http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > -- --------- Rob Prior rv7 "at" b4.ca ----------------------------- Stop dreaming... Start flying From rtaylor at telus.net Mon Feb 4 13:27:04 2002 From: rtaylor at telus.net (Roy Taylor) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] New E-mail address Message-ID: <3C5EFCA7.E846AA5C@telus.net> Hi everyone: We now have a new email address effective February 1, 2002. New address: rtaylor@telus.net Thank you....Pauline & Roy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020204/9128dda4/attachment.htm From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Feb 5 06:23:49 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] RVs in Western Canada Message-ID: Thanks to some research by Wing member Linda Todd, of Abbotsford, we have some interesting statistics on RV ownership in B.C., Alberta, and Saskatchewan. In those provinces, two-thirds of the owners of registered RVs are Wing members. There are 56 registered RVs and, based on the number under construction, that number will nearly double in the next few years! And that only counts RVs under construction by Wing members. There are many more under construction by non-members. BC AB SK total registered RVs 38 10 8 56 Wing members with registered RV 28 4 5 37 Wing members with RV under const. 31 14 5 50 (This table is best displayed in a monospace font, e.g. Courier.) --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From bdavies at pacificcoast.net Tue Feb 5 11:19:22 2002 From: bdavies at pacificcoast.net (Beatrice Davies) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] RVs in Western Canada References: Message-ID: <000701c1ae7a$04c2c140$de224d18@gv.shawcable.net> Could we please be taken off the mail list again. We will rejoin at a future date. Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: [Wing] RVs in Western Canada > Thanks to some research by Wing member Linda Todd, of Abbotsford, we have some > interesting statistics on RV ownership in B.C., Alberta, and Saskatchewan. > > In those provinces, two-thirds of the owners of registered RVs are Wing > members. There are 56 registered RVs and, based on the number under > construction, that number will nearly double in the next few years! And that > only counts RVs under construction by Wing members. There are many more under > construction by non-members. > > > > BC AB SK total > > registered RVs 38 10 8 56 > > Wing members with registered RV 28 4 5 37 > > Wing members with RV under const. 31 14 5 50 > > > > > (This table is best displayed in a monospace font, e.g. Courier.) > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Feb 6 13:57:11 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building Message-ID: I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. The idea appeals to me, as it seems to be a bit more efficient. If nothing else, it should save some redundant head-scratching time, which can be quite significant! If I had unlimited space, I'm pretty sure I'd want to do it. However, I feel that I may not have enough space to do it comfortably. I'm working in a two-room workshop. The wing assembly room is 10' by 13'6". Nothing else needs to go in that room except the wing and jig, but at the moment it houses a few other things (tool cabinets, plans table, etc.). So I could build side-by-side wing jigs with approximately 3.5 feet spacing from wall to wing CL, and between wing CLs. This seems a bit tight, to me. (In case you're wondering, the door is in the center of one end wall, nearly a straight shot out to the other room once the wings are done.) Does anyone who's tried simultaneous wings have an opinion on whether the space I have is adequate? Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From reagleston at ibigroup.com Wed Feb 6 14:39:29 2002 From: reagleston at ibigroup.com (Ron Eagleston) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tedd, I built my 8A wings simultaneously in my 11' wide garage that had 2' shelves along one wall. I had about 3' clear between jigs. I think it was worth doing it that way. Ron Rebel flying 8A finishing > From: Tedd McHenry > Reply-To: wing@vansairforce.org > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:57:11 -0800 (PST) > To: Western Canada Wing List > Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building > > > I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. The idea > appeals to me, as it seems to be a bit more efficient. If nothing else, it > should save some redundant head-scratching time, which can be quite > significant! If I had unlimited space, I'm pretty sure I'd want to do it. > > However, I feel that I may not have enough space to do it comfortably. I'm > working in a two-room workshop. The wing assembly room is 10' by 13'6". > Nothing else needs to go in that room except the wing and jig, but at the > moment it houses a few other things (tool cabinets, plans table, etc.). So I > could build side-by-side wing jigs with approximately 3.5 feet spacing from > wall to wing CL, and between wing CLs. This seems a bit tight, to me. (In > case you're wondering, the door is in the center of one end wall, nearly a > straight shot out to the other room once the wings are done.) > > Does anyone who's tried simultaneous wings have an opinion on whether the > space > I have is adequate? > > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From ve7fp at jetstream.net Wed Feb 6 15:47:03 2002 From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building References: Message-ID: <006701c1af69$4daa0720$b2bb17cf@kenhoshowski> Tedd, If I were building another RV I would definately build both wings at the same time. It is much easier to fabricate a left and a right gusset at the same time, or numerous other parts. I seem to recall making two right hand instead of one left and one right because there were 6 months between wings and I didn't pay attention to the fact that I was now building the opposite wing to the drawings. Couple of suggestions, when drilling rib attach brackets take a look under the spar to see what you are drilling into and when predrilling holes in brackets don't assume all the holes in all the brackets will be in the same place. Those of you who have prepunched parts need not worry about this but those of us who didn't learned the hard way. Ken RV6 C-FKEH Salmon Arm B.C. First flight Sept.8,1993 Tedd McHenry said: > I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. From arrvee at vcn.bc.ca Wed Feb 6 16:23:39 2002 From: arrvee at vcn.bc.ca (arrvee) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building Message-ID: <001001c1af6d$c2b7b540$974066cf@arrvee> Ted When I built mine I had 3 feet between centers but the bottom surfaces of the wing faced each other Larry -----Original Message----- From: Tedd McHenry To: Western Canada Wing List Date: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building >I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. The idea >appeals to me, as it seems to be a bit more efficient. If nothing else, it >should save some redundant head-scratching time, which can be quite >significant! If I had unlimited space, I'm pretty sure I'd want to do it. > >However, I feel that I may not have enough space to do it comfortably. I'm >working in a two-room workshop. The wing assembly room is 10' by 13'6". >Nothing else needs to go in that room except the wing and jig, but at the >moment it houses a few other things (tool cabinets, plans table, etc.). So I >could build side-by-side wing jigs with approximately 3.5 feet spacing from >wall to wing CL, and between wing CLs. This seems a bit tight, to me. (In >case you're wondering, the door is in the center of one end wall, nearly a >straight shot out to the other room once the wings are done.) > >Does anyone who's tried simultaneous wings have an opinion on whether the space >I have is adequate? > > >Tedd McHenry >Van's Air Force >Western Canada Wing >tedd@vansairforce.org >www.vansairforce.org > >_______________________________________________ >Wing mailing list >Wing@vansairforce.org >http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From haywire at telus.net Wed Feb 6 18:23:19 2002 From: haywire at telus.net (Haywire) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ted; I built my RV-9 wings simultaneously and it worked out great. Even on the pre-punch kits, there are many parts to fabricate and it is easier to make both at the same time. When you do it this way you will do all the pro-seal together (hey, it's really not that bad of stuff), rivet skins on together so you only need a helper once, and then build the jig and do both ailerons & flaps together. I must admit though that I am blessed with a large shop, so space wasn't an issue. S. Todd Bartrim 13B rotary powered RV-9 (finish kit) C-FSTB (reserved) > -----Original Message----- > From: wing-admin@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-admin@vansairforce.org]On > Behalf Of Tedd McHenry > Sent: February 6, 2002 1:57 PM > To: Western Canada Wing List > Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building > > > I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. The idea > appeals to me, as it seems to be a bit more efficient. If > nothing else, it > should save some redundant head-scratching time, which can be quite > significant! If I had unlimited space, I'm pretty sure I'd want > to do it. > > However, I feel that I may not have enough space to do it > comfortably. I'm > working in a two-room workshop. The wing assembly room is 10' by 13'6". > Nothing else needs to go in that room except the wing and jig, but at the > moment it houses a few other things (tool cabinets, plans table, > etc.). So I > could build side-by-side wing jigs with approximately 3.5 feet > spacing from > wall to wing CL, and between wing CLs. This seems a bit tight, > to me. (In > case you're wondering, the door is in the center of one end wall, nearly a > straight shot out to the other room once the wings are done.) > > Does anyone who's tried simultaneous wings have an opinion on > whether the space > I have is adequate? > > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tgannon at stoneboat.com Tue Feb 5 20:09:09 2002 From: tgannon at stoneboat.com (Terence Gannon) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tedd -- you saw my shop while you were still living in Alberta, so you know how small a space I'm working in...but for the rest of the list, I have a one-and-a-half car garage, a sport-ute, and winters that dictate parking it inside at least six months of the year. So I'm working in a space not much wider than six feet, so both wings at once is not an option. However, for anybody else that might be in the same situation, I can offer a hint -- wherever possible, do the sub-assemblies for both wings at the same time. So in my case, I'm just about done with the left wing, but the right wing is pretty well along, as well. Both ailerons are built, both flaps are pretty much done, both sets of ribs are primed, every bracket and other part that is mirrored on both wings is done, and of course, all the jigs only have to be built once. So I'm assuming the second wing will go very quickly...it's not quite in quick build, but it will go one heckuva lot faster than the first. In an event, if lack of space is your concern, it shouldn't be. Where there is a will, there is a way. Terry in Calgary RV-6 S/N 24414 "Wings" From guyb at shaw.ca Wed Feb 6 22:09:42 2002 From: guyb at shaw.ca (Guy Bourgeois) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building References: Message-ID: <000401c1af9e$088cbfe0$ba9d4018@guys> Hi Terry, Where in Calgary are you? I recently started building RV7. I live in Somerset and have been building in a shop near Heritage Point. Would like to talk to other RV builders in Calgary. Cheers, Guy From acornyn at telusplanet.net Wed Feb 6 22:31:50 2002 From: acornyn at telusplanet.net (Al Cornyn) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building References: Message-ID: <004001c1afa1$21184a40$601bb8a1@USER> Definitely build both at the same time iven if you have to move the kitchen table. If you screw up both wings equally it will fly straight. Mine does. Al RV-6 Flying Installing UPS MX20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building > I'm looking for opinions on building both wings simultaneously. The idea > appeals to me, as it seems to be a bit more efficient. If nothing else, it > should save some redundant head-scratching time, which can be quite > significant! If I had unlimited space, I'm pretty sure I'd want to do it. > > However, I feel that I may not have enough space to do it comfortably. I'm > working in a two-room workshop. The wing assembly room is 10' by 13'6". > Nothing else needs to go in that room except the wing and jig, but at the > moment it houses a few other things (tool cabinets, plans table, etc.). So I > could build side-by-side wing jigs with approximately 3.5 feet spacing from > wall to wing CL, and between wing CLs. This seems a bit tight, to me. (In > case you're wondering, the door is in the center of one end wall, nearly a > straight shot out to the other room once the wings are done.) > > Does anyone who's tried simultaneous wings have an opinion on whether the space > I have is adequate? > > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From gmouck at attcanada.ca Wed Feb 6 23:51:48 2002 From: gmouck at attcanada.ca (gmouck) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building References: <000401c1af9e$088cbfe0$ba9d4018@guys> Message-ID: <002b01c1afac$4cae1f80$4449b5cf@hppav> Guy, I am working on the wiring of an RV9 and only live about 5 miles from Heritage Pointe. If you want to pop over and have a look, give me a call. My number is 938-2498. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Bourgeois" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building > Hi Terry, > Where in Calgary are you? I recently started building RV7. I live in > Somerset and have been building in a shop near Heritage Point. Would like to > talk to other RV builders in Calgary. > Cheers, > Guy > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From tedd at vansairforce.org Thu Feb 7 06:33:30 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building In-Reply-To: <002b01c1afac$4cae1f80$4449b5cf@hppav> Message-ID: Thanks very much to everyone who replied to my question about simultaneous wing building. It seems almost unanimous that it's the way to go. As a bonus, it looks like the thread of messages will result in a few builders in Calgary getting to know each other! What more could I ask for? --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From tedd at vansairforce.org Thu Feb 7 07:09:43 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley RV Fly-in 2002 Message-ID: The Langley Aero Club and Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing are holding a fly-in for RVs on Saturday, June 8, 2002 at Langley airport (CYNJ). This is shaping up to be a really good event, with some fantastic features already planned, and probably more to come. Keep an eye on the Fly-in web page for details, http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ Perhaps you're already the proud owner of a flying RV. Lucky you! Then you'll surely want to fly in for a chance to win the People's Choice award for the best RV, and to show off your beautiful airplane. There will be plenty of space on the field for parking. You can camp on the field, or stay in one of the hotels near the airport. We'll be posting information about accommodation on the Wing web site over the next few weeks. Currently building an RV? Then you're probably thinking a lot about those first flights. We're going to have Mike Seager, Van's authorized RV transition training instructor, available for transition instruction in his RV-6. For more information, or to schedule instruction, contact Mike Seager between 7:00am and 9:00am Pacific Time at (503) 429-5103. Mike can also be reached via e-mail at rv6cfi@vernonia.com. You'll also enjoy the seminar on engines, by Bart Lalonde of Aero Sport Power, and RV safety, by Eustace Bowhay. We are very fortunate to have these two highly respected aviation professionals come to our fly in. Are you an RV wannabe? Seriously thinking about building one, but unsure about what's involved, the cost, the time commitment? Worried that you don't have the skills? Then you'll be interested in talking to the representative from Van's Aircraft who will be there, and attending the seminar I'll be giving, "Introduction to RV Building." The seminar will cover those basic questions, and others, and will be a place where you can ask whatever's on your mind about the building process, and maybe even try a little practise rivetting. If you just like to look at RVs, this is probably going to be your best chance inside Canada this year. There are 38 RVs registered in B.C., and we hope to have a sizeable proportion of them at Langley. We've been contacted by groups as far away as Saskatchewan and southern California who've expressed an interest in flying in with their RVs. So we expect a great turn out, and some really interesting RVs to look at. Naturally, we're encouraging anyone who wants to fly in, regardless of what type of airplane they have. If you plan to attend, and especially if you plan to fly in, please take the time to write me at tedd@vansairforce.org or, if you prefer, sign the Guest Book on the Fly-in web page. http://www.vansairforce.org/CYNJ/guestbook/lac_sign.html That will help us plan facilities such as food, washrooms, and customs for U.S. visitors. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From guyb at shaw.ca Thu Feb 7 09:54:55 2002 From: guyb at shaw.ca (Guy Bourgeois) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:15 2005 Subject: [Wing] Simultaneous Wing Building References: <000401c1af9e$088cbfe0$ba9d4018@guys> <002b01c1afac$4cae1f80$4449b5cf@hppav> Message-ID: <001401c1b000$8d211a50$709d4018@guys> Hi Gary, Sure would like to go over and see what you are up to with your RV9. I will call you or feel free to call me at anytime. My numbers: Res: 640-6232 Cell: 560-3872 Cheers, Guy From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Feb 15 07:03:23 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] RV-6A Plans For Sale Message-ID: A couple of days ago someone posted an ad for RV-6A plans. You can see the ad at http://www.vansairforce.org/classifieds --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From m.speer at shaw.ca Mon Feb 18 22:05:27 2002 From: m.speer at shaw.ca (Mike Speer) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Getting going? Message-ID: <3C71EB27.859685B1@shaw.ca> What's the procedure for having the work inspected as we build our RV's. How do you go about getting the aircraft registered? Thanks Mike Speer From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Feb 19 06:39:36 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Getting going? In-Reply-To: <3C71EB27.859685B1@shaw.ca> Message-ID: > What's the procedure for having the work inspected as we build our > RV's. How do you go about getting the aircraft registered? > > Thanks Mike Speer Mike: You'll get the official answers from MD-RA (Minister's Delegates - Recreational Aircraft), the new organization that is now responsible for inspections and CofAs for amateur-built aircraft. http://www.md-ra.com/ Basically, you begin by filing a letter of intent to build an amateur-built aircraft. You file the letter with MD-RA. I believe you can do it through their web site, although the service is down at the moment. Later, at the appropriate time, you request inspections through them. In practice, it's probably smart to get to know your inspector well before any inspections. They're an invaluable source of information. Tedd McHenry From 2w at telus.net Tue Feb 19 10:35:29 2002 From: 2w at telus.net (Bill Robson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Getting going? References: Message-ID: <000401c1b974$350bdf80$3243e8d8@bc.hsia.telus.net> Hello Tedd Thats good advise to get to know the inspector before you really need him. But how do you do that when they keep their names and phone numbers a secret ? Bill Robson From m.speer at shaw.ca Fri Feb 22 17:57:32 2002 From: m.speer at shaw.ca (Mike Speer) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 Message-ID: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with sliding canopy, electric flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a clue, at this point anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal online and have started to acquire some elementary tools. I know that I want to build this aircraft however at this point I do not have the necessary skill to do the job. If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking bar I would like to get some hands on training. Thanks ...Mike Speer From tedd at vansairforce.org Fri Feb 22 18:10:40 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 In-Reply-To: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> Message-ID: > If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > Thanks ...Mike Speer Mike: I don't have any bucking coming up in the immediate future, but you're welcome to stop by, see my project, and talk turkey about building. I'm in Cloverdale, not far away from Richmond. Tedd McHenry From rv7 at b4.ca Fri Feb 22 18:29:30 2002 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: Message-ID: <3C76FE8A.4030200@b4.ca> I'm a half-step ahead of Tedd on when i'll be riveting next, but a full step or two behind him in terms of overall progress... Seeing as i'm only on the tail, and he's getting ready for the wings. But i'm in the same boat you are, in that i've never done any riveting. There's a lot of work to do to get to this point, though, so don't be afraid to start. You'll probably be setting up your shop for the first month before you get anywhere close to wanting to rivet anything, and then you'll be doing preparatory work for the next month before you're ready to bang a rivet. -RB4 RV-7 Empennage Tedd McHenry wrote: >>If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking >>bar I would like to get some hands on training. >> >I don't have any bucking coming up in the immediate future, but you're welcome >to stop by, see my project, and talk turkey about building. I'm in Cloverdale, >not far away from Richmond. > From fvalarm at rapidnet.net Fri Feb 22 22:31:28 2002 From: fvalarm at rapidnet.net (B. Tomm) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00c901c1bc33$baeaf980$bb8d35d1@cheryls> Mike, I'm building a 7A in Abbotsford, no help with bucking is needed at this point but you can visit if you want to come this far. Bevan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Speer" To: Sent: February 22, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with sliding canopy, electric > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a clue, at this point > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal online and have > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know that I want to build > this aircraft however at this point I do not have the necessary skill to > do the job. > If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From acwrench at yahoo.ca Sat Feb 23 09:19:43 2002 From: acwrench at yahoo.ca (pat morency) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 In-Reply-To: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <20020223171943.66944.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Mike, I bought my tail feathers about 90% completed and the wing kit in the box with alot of tools I'd only heard about. Today I have the left wing in the jig the leading is drilled deburred and dimpled along with all the top and bottom skins. I've made a few mistakes along the way and had to go back and either correct or compensate for them. The best piece of advice I could give you is "Ask Questions" when you get stumped and don't be afraid to start. You might want to get a few pieces of sheet metal, drill some holes, deburr, and practice slammin' rivets. This whole project seems to be about READIN' and RIVETIN'. Best of Luck! Pat in Calgary --- Mike Speer wrote: > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with > sliding canopy, electric > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a > clue, at this point > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal > online and have > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know > that I want to build > this aircraft however at this point I do not have > the necessary skill to > do the job. > If there is anyone out there who needs to have > someone hold the bucking > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca From cliffada at telusplanet.net Sat Feb 23 21:45:06 2002 From: cliffada at telusplanet.net (Cliff Adams) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] re: Starting an RV7(A) Message-ID: <3C787DE2.30750190@telusplanet.net> I too had some doubts about riveting stuff but thanks to Barry Tunzlemann (working in Edmonton for a while) I got some fine tips and "how to's..." and a little dual on a rivet gun. The best I can offer right now is 1. Use a 3X gun at fairly low pressure... 40 to 80 PSI and tease the trigger gently to get the rivet started...make sure the bucking bar is held square to the work 2. It is essential the work is held firmly in place...nothing is worse than having the rivet set jump all over your nice new aluminum making smiles in the surface 3. Barry taught me to recognize and drill out bad rivets...practice how to do this as you will have a bad rivet or two for sure. A piece of masking tape on the end of the cupped rivet set (especially the 1/8" rivets) helps to protect the factory head nicely. 4. While a rhythm does develop when rivetting, I've found that the first few rivets always require some thought and care when driving. 5. The knowledge curve seems steep at times but you will become proficient...good building and best of luck Cliff Adams RV7A Emp (half done & 90% to go on the tail feathers) From m.speer at shaw.ca Sun Feb 24 00:22:15 2002 From: m.speer at shaw.ca (Mike Speer) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] re: starting a RV Message-ID: <3C78A2B7.A9AC7AB@shaw.ca> Thanks to all locally who have answered the call for help and made generous offers to let me come and see their projects. It's surprising how many aircraft are under construction and the wealth of information available. Thanks again ...Mike From acornyn at telusplanet.net Sun Feb 24 21:17:48 2002 From: acornyn at telusplanet.net (Al Cornyn) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] re: Starting an RV7(A) References: <3C787DE2.30750190@telusplanet.net> Message-ID: <002001c1bdbb$c4d1eab0$891cb8a1@USER> Don't set the gun too light because you will work harden the rivets then the don't squish worth a s___. But it is all worth it. Al RV6 flying with apollo mx20 just installed Can't get lost now.------- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Adams" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: [Wing] re: Starting an RV7(A) > I too had some doubts about riveting stuff but thanks to Barry > Tunzlemann (working in Edmonton for a while) I got some fine tips and > "how to's..." and a little dual on a rivet gun. The best I can offer > right now is > 1. Use a 3X gun at fairly low pressure... 40 to 80 PSI and tease the > trigger gently to get the rivet started...make sure the bucking bar is > held square to the work > 2. It is essential the work is held firmly in place...nothing is worse > than having the rivet set jump all over your nice new aluminum making > smiles in the surface > 3. Barry taught me to recognize and drill out bad rivets...practice how > to do this as you will have a bad rivet or two for sure. A piece of > masking tape on the end of the cupped rivet set (especially the 1/8" > rivets) helps to protect the factory head nicely. > 4. While a rhythm does develop when rivetting, I've found that the first > few rivets always require some thought and care when driving. > 5. The knowledge curve seems steep at times but you will become > proficient...good building and best of luck > > Cliff Adams RV7A Emp (half done & 90% to go on the tail feathers) > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From rtaylor at telus.net Sun Feb 24 23:03:43 2002 From: rtaylor at telus.net (Roy Taylor) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] re: starting a RV References: <3C78A2B7.A9AC7AB@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <3C79E1CF.68C2E300@telus.net> Hi Mike, I live in Richmond and in the final stages of building an RV6A. Give us a call, my home phone is 604 274 0258; Office 604 276 0550 Roy Taylor From patman at itdoesntsuck.com Mon Feb 25 10:34:15 2002 From: patman at itdoesntsuck.com (Pat Dayman) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] O-320-E2D air filter Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020225133148.009e9aa0@pop3.norton.antivirus> While doing the annual inspection recently I realized that there was no air filter on my RV-4 (obviously I did not build this one) I got looking and can add one with a modification to the lower cowl. Not a big job, but any input anyone has as to running with/without the filter would be greatly appreciated. Pat Dayman CF-JOJ From fo320 at sympatico.ca Mon Feb 25 14:43:52 2002 From: fo320 at sympatico.ca (RV-4) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] O-320-E2D air filter In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20020225133148.009e9aa0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: Hello Pat I've been flying my RV-4 (0-320 E2D) off a grass strip for the last 2 years without an air filter and so far I've had no problems.The only thing I did was to put a small metal screen in the air intake to catch the big pieces but nothing like a filter air box. I also have an Ellison Throttle boby injector installed which might make a difference. Hope this helps Bruno Dionne RV-4 C-GDBH Bellefeuille,Quebec ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- -----Original Message----- From: wing-admin@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-admin@vansairforce.org]On Behalf Of Pat Dayman Sent: February 25, 2002 1:34 PM To: wing@vansairforce.org Subject: [Wing] O-320-E2D air filter While doing the annual inspection recently I realized that there was no air filter on my RV-4 (obviously I did not build this one) I got looking and can add one with a modification to the lower cowl. Not a big job, but any input anyone has as to running with/without the filter would be greatly appreciated. Pat Dayman CF-JOJ _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From mdeg at shaw.ca Mon Feb 25 15:28:46 2002 From: mdeg at shaw.ca (Marc Degirolamo) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] O-320-E2D air filter References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020225133148.009e9aa0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: <004001c1be54$2c6177c0$db874718@ss.shawcable.net> I assume that you have the foam and screen on your -4.....While this is OK putting on the B&N filter which Van sells would be a definite improvement......the advantage is that you get filtered air all the time.....Engines cost way too much to overhaul and dirt etc. going through the carb (applying carb heat during runup) will shorten the life of your cylinders......In short I would not run without a filter... Marc DeGirolamo C-FRVE getting ready to do annual..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Dayman" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: [Wing] O-320-E2D air filter > While doing the annual inspection recently I realized that there was no air > filter on my RV-4 (obviously I did not build this one) I got looking and > can add one with a modification to the lower cowl. Not a big job, but any > input anyone has as to running with/without the filter would be greatly > appreciated. > > Pat Dayman > CF-JOJ > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From acwrench at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 25 19:12:17 2002 From: acwrench at yahoo.ca (pat morency) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] backriveting Message-ID: <20020226031217.39716.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com> To All, Has anyone out there backriveted the top skins of the wing and if so how? Read an article from Eric Henson and he refers to a Frank Justices instructions. Thanks Pat in Calgary ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From dgmurray at telusplanet.net Tue Feb 26 06:18:57 2002 From: dgmurray at telusplanet.net (Douglas G. Murray) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] backriveting References: <20020226031217.39716.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005901c1bed0$8803a5e0$531bb8a1@dgmurray> Pat - I am now flying an RV-6 that I back riveted the wing top skins on. It looks real good and I feel was easier to build. I used the 15" backriveting set from Avery and the 3# bucking bar that looks a bit like the head of an overgrown nail. The 15" set reaches through the wing past the ribs from the bottom side and a helper holds the bucking bar against the top of the skin as the riveter sets the rivet. The helper removes the Clecos and inserts the rivets so the riveter can continue seting the rivets. I hope this helps - but if it isn't enough , please feel welcome to call me and talk about it. Doug Murray - RV-6 C-GRPA Mountain View, Alberta (about 2 hours south of Calgary) 403-653-2087 ----- Original Message ----- From: pat morency > To All, > Has anyone out there backriveted the top skins of the > wing and if so how? Read an article from Eric Henson > and he refers to a Frank Justices instructions. > Thanks > Pat in Calgary From tedd at vansairforce.org Tue Feb 26 09:47:30 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] RV Transition Training at Langley Fly-in Message-ID: One of the featured events at the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8) will be RV transition training. The training will be conducted by Mike Seager, the Vans-authorized transition pilot. I've taken Mike Seager's training, and I found it very worthwhile. We're now booking sessions with Mike for the weekend of the Fly-in. Mike will be available for three days, from Thursday, June 6 to Saturday, June 8, with about six flights per day. We expect this to be very popular, so I encourage you to book early while there are still slots left. Linda Todd is organizing the bookings, and can give you pricing information. Contact me off-list (i.e. at tedd@vansairforce.org) for Linda's phone number. --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From m.speer at shaw.ca Tue Feb 26 23:43:46 2002 From: m.speer at shaw.ca (Mike Speer) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> <00c901c1bc33$baeaf980$bb8d35d1@cheryls> Message-ID: <3C7C8E32.A7269D67@shaw.ca> Hi Bevan, Thanks very much for the kind offer, it is quite frankly amazing how many aircraft are under construction in the Vancouver area. I will definitely give you a call and drop bye when it 's convenient. ..Mike "B. Tomm" wrote: > Mike, I'm building a 7A in Abbotsford, no help with bucking is needed at > this point but you can visit if you want to come this far. > > Bevan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Speer" > To: > Sent: February 22, 2002 5:57 PM > Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 > > > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with sliding canopy, electric > > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a clue, at this point > > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal online and have > > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know that I want to build > > this aircraft however at this point I do not have the necessary skill to > > do the job. > > If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking > > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From m.speer at shaw.ca Tue Feb 26 23:53:35 2002 From: m.speer at shaw.ca (Mike Speer) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: <20020223171943.66944.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C7C907F.29385509@shaw.ca> Pat Thanks for the words of encouragement. Dropped in on a -6a project this week there are at least two that I know about in my neighborhood, amazing . I've stopped trying to convince myself and have made the order for the RV-7. I am a lot more comfortable since I joined the "wing" and have met a few builders, once I get a few thousand rivets under my belt it won't seem like such a big deal. I pass through YYC on a regular basis with my job so I will give you a call. Thanks.. Mike pat morency wrote: > Mike, > I bought my tail feathers about 90% completed and the > wing kit in the box with alot of tools I'd only heard > about. Today I have the left wing in the jig the > leading is drilled deburred and dimpled along with all > the top and bottom skins. I've made a few mistakes > along the way and had to go back and either correct or > compensate for them. The best piece of advice I could > give you is "Ask Questions" when you get stumped and > don't be afraid to start. You might want to get a few > pieces of sheet metal, drill some holes, deburr, and > practice slammin' rivets. This whole project seems to > be about READIN' and RIVETIN'. Best of Luck! > Pat in Calgary > --- Mike Speer wrote: > > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with > > sliding canopy, electric > > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a > > clue, at this point > > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal > > online and have > > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know > > that I want to build > > this aircraft however at this point I do not have > > the necessary skill to > > do the job. > > If there is anyone out there who needs to have > > someone hold the bucking > > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From jjewell at telus.net Wed Feb 27 00:51:53 2002 From: jjewell at telus.net (Jim Jewell) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: <20020223171943.66944.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> <3C7C907F.29385509@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <001501c1bf6c$00cd1ce0$4d76e8d8@bc.hsia.telus.net> Hello Mike, If you are going to be coming to Kelowna some time send me a warning so I can have the beverage of your choice on hand. My 6A is much done with a lot left to do yet. There are quite a few RVs in the Okanagan. If time permits some visiting, their owners like to show off their work almost as much as I do mine. It's a long drive so feel welcome to stay over a bit. Starting out on this adventure was so great!, The whole experience has been stupendous! I am hooked, I can't imagine not doing it again. I hope it' turns out the same for you. Jim in Kelowna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Speer" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 > Pat > > Thanks for the words of encouragement. Dropped in on a -6a project this > week there are at least two that I know about in my neighborhood, amazing > . I've stopped trying to convince myself and have made the order for the > RV-7. I am a lot more comfortable since I joined the "wing" and have met a > few builders, once I get a few thousand rivets under my belt it won't seem > like such a big deal. > > I pass through YYC on a regular basis with my job so I will give you a > call. > > Thanks.. Mike > > pat morency wrote: > > > Mike, > > I bought my tail feathers about 90% completed and the > > wing kit in the box with alot of tools I'd only heard > > about. Today I have the left wing in the jig the > > leading is drilled deburred and dimpled along with all > > the top and bottom skins. I've made a few mistakes > > along the way and had to go back and either correct or > > compensate for them. The best piece of advice I could > > give you is "Ask Questions" when you get stumped and > > don't be afraid to start. You might want to get a few > > pieces of sheet metal, drill some holes, deburr, and > > practice slammin' rivets. This whole project seems to > > be about READIN' and RIVETIN'. Best of Luck! > > Pat in Calgary > > --- Mike Speer wrote: > > > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with > > > sliding canopy, electric > > > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > > > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a > > > clue, at this point > > > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal > > > online and have > > > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know > > > that I want to build > > > this aircraft however at this point I do not have > > > the necessary skill to > > > do the job. > > > If there is anyone out there who needs to have > > > someone hold the bucking > > > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > > > > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wing mailing list > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From ve7fp at jetstream.net Wed Feb 27 15:38:31 2002 From: ve7fp at jetstream.net (Ken Hoshowski) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Oil Seperator Message-ID: <003b01c1bfe8$06a55160$b6bb17cf@kenhoshowski> For Sale: (used) As shown in 2001 Aircraft Spruce catalogue page 260, p/n 10570 $38.65 U.S.(approx $70 Cdn with exchange,customs and freight) $35.00 (I pay freight) Ken Hoshowski RV6 C-FKEH First flight Sept. 8,1993 From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Feb 27 20:21:52 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in Message-ID: As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward the result to Van's. If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. No, the -10 won't be ready! --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From briant at telus.net Wed Feb 27 23:19:39 2002 From: briant at telus.net (Brian W. Truitt) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <001b01c1c029$510a34a0$2ec134d1@a1a28765> -7 for me. Brian Truitt - RV-7 Fuselage up to the firewall now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tedd McHenry To: Western Canada Wing List Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward the result to Van's. If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. No, the -10 won't be ready! --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org _______________________________________________ Wing mailing list Wing@vansairforce.org http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020227/0b306c96/attachment.htm From nhunger at sprint.ca Thu Feb 28 03:52:58 2002 From: nhunger at sprint.ca (Norman) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <001c01c1c04e$81c15e00$f3e494d1@oemcomputer> RV7 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward > the result to Van's. > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From rv7 at b4.ca Thu Feb 28 09:07:00 2002 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <3C7E63B4.6080908@b4.ca> Since i'm building a -7, it's my first choice. But if the -9 is ready by then, i'd like to see it... -RB4 Tedd McHenry wrote: >As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). >We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know >themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd >survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward >the result to Van's. > >If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and >especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let >me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: >-7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > >No, the -10 won't be ready! > From guyb at shaw.ca Thu Feb 28 12:39:16 2002 From: guyb at shaw.ca (Guy Bourgeois) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: <3C7E63B4.6080908@b4.ca> Message-ID: <001201c1c097$fdd03540$769d4018@guys> Here's my vote: Let it be the RV7 Cheers, Guy From ltodd at telus.net Thu Feb 28 17:55:55 2002 From: ltodd at telus.net (Linda Todd) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <000901c1c0c4$52f38aa0$94e335d1@oemcomputer> I'd love to see the 7 again - didn't get a good enough look at it at Delta. 9A would be my second choice. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: "Western Canada Wing List" Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward > the result to Van's. > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From jayeandscott at shaw.ca Thu Feb 28 18:13:08 2002 From: jayeandscott at shaw.ca (Jaye and Scott Jackson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: <3C76F70C.7F2C7DFA@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <004b01c1c0c6$a1acd280$0200a8c0@vc.shawcable.net> Bob Cutting lives in Steveston and would be the man to call-he's just finishing his second RV Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Speer" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 > I am beginning my project to build an RV-7 with sliding canopy, electric > flaps, elevator trim, and basic night VFR. > I live in Richmond BC and quite frankly don't have a clue, at this point > anyway, what I am doing. Have learned a great deal online and have > started to acquire some elementary tools. I know that I want to build > this aircraft however at this point I do not have the necessary skill to > do the job. > If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From jayeandscott at shaw.ca Thu Feb 28 18:14:41 2002 From: jayeandscott at shaw.ca (Jaye and Scott Jackson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 References: Message-ID: <005301c1c0c6$d89cd920$0200a8c0@vc.shawcable.net> I'm near Crescent Park and am nearing the end of wiring my -6. Call or stop by anytime. Scott Jackson 2675 134th St ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tedd McHenry" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Wing] Starting a RV-7 > > If there is anyone out there who needs to have someone hold the bucking > > bar I would like to get some hands on training. > > > > Thanks ...Mike Speer > > Mike: > > I don't have any bucking coming up in the immediate future, but you're welcome > to stop by, see my project, and talk turkey about building. I'm in Cloverdale, > not far away from Richmond. > > Tedd McHenry > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From rob at tonnesen.com Mon Mar 4 22:05:08 2002 From: rob at tonnesen.com (Rob Tonnesen) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now that the -9 is flying, it might be interesting it see that at the Langley fly-in. Later... Rob T. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tedd McHenry wrote: > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV Fly-in (June 8). > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they don't yet know > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, but I thought I'd > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to see, and forward > the result to Van's. > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to build, please let > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, the options are: > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From nhunger at sprint.ca Tue Mar 5 09:22:04 2002 From: nhunger at sprint.ca (Norman) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] RMI Monitor For Sale References: Message-ID: <000901c1c46a$45d2b9a0$8fe994d1@oemcomputer> Canadian Rocky Mountain Instrument engine monitor for sale. Landed in Delta BC with all taxes paid I'm into it for $2584 Canadian. This is the kit with every sensor that RMI sells to hook it up. I have done 99% of all the soldering but nothing else. All of the chips have yet to be installed. The box is packed with all of the sensors. Here's what I ordered: 1 101k Monitor Kit $999 1 Manifold Pressure Sensor $57 1 Fuel Flow Sensor $160 4 EGT Thermocouples $40 ea / $160 4 CHT Thermocouples $40 ea / $160 1 EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch $36 ***All these prices are US dollars*** Make an offer if you are interested. Thank-you, Norman Hunger Delta BC From rv7 at b4.ca Tue Mar 5 09:28:27 2002 From: rv7 at b4.ca (Rob Prior) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] RMI Monitor For Sale References: <000901c1c46a$45d2b9a0$8fe994d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C85003B.4090502@b4.ca> I was considering this setup for my -7, when the time comes. Why have you decided not to use it? -Rob Prior RV-7 Empennage Norman wrote: >Canadian Rocky Mountain Instrument engine monitor for sale. Landed in Delta >BC with all taxes paid I'm into it for $2584 Canadian. This is the kit with >every sensor that RMI sells to hook it up. > >I have done 99% of all the soldering but nothing else. All of the chips have >yet to be installed. The box is packed with all of the sensors. > >Here's what I ordered: > >1 101k Monitor Kit $999 >1 Manifold Pressure Sensor $57 >1 Fuel Flow Sensor $160 >4 EGT Thermocouples $40 ea / $160 >4 CHT Thermocouples $40 ea / $160 >1 EGT/CHT Multiplex Switch $36 >***All these prices are US dollars*** > >Make an offer if you are interested. > From nhunger at sprint.ca Tue Mar 5 09:31:43 2002 From: nhunger at sprint.ca (Norman) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley Hangers References: Message-ID: <000f01c1c46b$9ea765c0$8fe994d1@oemcomputer> Could some one please pass on the dimensions of one of the T-hangers at Langley BC? I'm researching buying one soon to clear up room to finish my project. I have moved and managed to aquire another hot rod, need storage space. Are the T-hangers big enough for cars/boats? I talked to the airport manager and he said the hangers are supposed to be for aircraft only but he generally looks the other way. Some basic research on hangers has turned me off my favorite airport: Boundary Bay. It's half the drive than Langley for me and comes equipped with customs but their prices are way too high. I was quoted $44,000 for a 30 year lease on a brand new T-hanger with power, water, and phone. Operating costs including property tax would be an additional $2000 a year. So far I've been told it's around $25,000 for a used T-hanger at Langley with annual maintenance fees much less. Can anyone elaborate for me? Actual costs and dimensions please? Power and water? Thank-you, Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC From reagleston at ibigroup.com Tue Mar 5 13:01:35 2002 From: reagleston at ibigroup.com (Ron Eagleston) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Langley Hangers In-Reply-To: <000f01c1c46b$9ea765c0$8fe994d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Norman, They are in the process of building new hangers at Pitt Meadows, I can't remember the cost but it was definitely cheaper than Boundry Bay's. Ron Rebel flying/8A finishing > From: "Norman" > Reply-To: wing@vansairforce.org > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:31:43 -0800 > To: > Subject: [Wing] Langley Hangers > > > Could some one please pass on the dimensions of one of the T-hangers at > Langley BC? I'm researching buying one soon to clear up room to finish my > project. I have moved and managed to aquire another hot rod, need storage > space. Are the T-hangers big enough for cars/boats? I talked to the airport > manager and he said the hangers are supposed to be for aircraft only but he > generally looks the other way. > > Some basic research on hangers has turned me off my favorite airport: > Boundary Bay. It's half the drive than Langley for me and comes equipped > with customs but their prices are way too high. I was quoted $44,000 for a > 30 year lease on a brand new T-hanger with power, water, and phone. > Operating costs including property tax would be an additional $2000 a year. > > So far I've been told it's around $25,000 for a used T-hanger at Langley > with annual maintenance fees much less. Can anyone elaborate for me? Actual > costs and dimensions please? Power and water? > > Thank-you, > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From haywire at telus.net Tue Mar 5 17:36:55 2002 From: haywire at telus.net (Haywire) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree. My vote is for the "9". S. Todd Bartrim 13B rotary powered RV-9 (finish kit) C-FSTB (reserved) http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm > > Now that the -9 is flying, it might be interesting it see that at the > Langley fly-in. > > Later... > Rob T. > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tedd McHenry wrote: > > > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV > Fly-in (June 8). > > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they > don't yet know > > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, > but I thought I'd > > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to > see, and forward > > the result to Van's. > > > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to > build, please let > > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, > the options are: > > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > > > --- > > > > Tedd McHenry > > Van's Air Force > > Western Canada Wing > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From gordjack at telus.net Tue Mar 5 21:33:06 2002 From: gordjack at telus.net (Gordon Jack) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <3C85AA12.84224EEC@telus.net> Todd I think your opinion may be biassed somewhat. :-) ;-) Gord Jack RV 7a 70011 (wings) Haywire wrote: > I agree. My vote is for the "9". > > S. Todd Bartrim > 13B rotary powered > RV-9 (finish kit) > C-FSTB (reserved) > http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm > > > > > > Now that the -9 is flying, it might be interesting it see that at the > > Langley fly-in. > > > > Later... > > Rob T. > > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tedd McHenry wrote: > > > > > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV > > Fly-in (June 8). > > > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they > > don't yet know > > > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, > > but I thought I'd > > > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to > > see, and forward > > > the result to Van's. > > > > > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > > > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to > > build, please let > > > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, > > the options are: > > > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > > > > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Tedd McHenry > > > Van's Air Force > > > Western Canada Wing > > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wing mailing list > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From haywire at telus.net Tue Mar 5 22:12:26 2002 From: haywire at telus.net (Haywire) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: <3C85AA12.84224EEC@telus.net> Message-ID: WHAT ME !!??? BIASED???? Now that's just crazy talk. Actually I just figured that alot of people have seen all their other demonstrators, so anything new is always a good thing. Besides I've already built my plane to be convertible from a TD to a TG, so I'm hoping to sneak a ride out of them. S. Todd Bartrim 13B rotary powered RV-9endurance (finish kit) C-FSTB (reserved) http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: wing-admin@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-admin@vansairforce.org]On > Behalf Of Gordon Jack > Sent: March 5, 2002 9:33 PM > To: wing@vansairforce.org > Subject: Re: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in > > > Todd > > I think your opinion may be biassed somewhat. :-) ;-) > > Gord Jack > RV 7a 70011 (wings) > > Haywire wrote: > > > I agree. My vote is for the "9". > > > > S. Todd Bartrim > > 13B rotary powered > > RV-9 (finish kit) > > C-FSTB (reserved) > > http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm > > > > > > > > > > Now that the -9 is flying, it might be interesting it see that at the > > > Langley fly-in. > > > > > > Later... > > > Rob T. > > > > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tedd McHenry wrote: > > > > > > > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV > > > Fly-in (June 8). > > > > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they > > > don't yet know > > > > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, > > > but I thought I'd > > > > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to > > > see, and forward > > > > the result to Van's. > > > > > > > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if > you do, and > > > > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to > > > build, please let > > > > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, > > > the options are: > > > > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > > > > > > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Tedd McHenry > > > > Van's Air Force > > > > Western Canada Wing > > > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wing mailing list > > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wing mailing list > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tlc2 at telusplanet.net Wed Mar 6 01:40:48 2002 From: tlc2 at telusplanet.net (Tim) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] [Fwd: [RV Satisfaction] Message-ID: <3C85E420.FA888891@telusplanet.net> Thought some might be interested in Craig's comparison is interesting as he has owned/built both a -4 -8 of different horsepowers and (I think) objectively compares.......Below> Tim C Cold Lake -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Craig Hiers" Subject: Re: [RV-4] Satisfaction Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:41:19 -0500 Size: 10933 Url: http://retrix.com/pipermail/wing/attachments/20020306/43399a20/attachment.eml From wjoke at shaw.ca Wed Mar 6 05:55:46 2002 From: wjoke at shaw.ca (Jim Oke) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:16 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: <3C85AA12.84224EEC@telus.net> Message-ID: <001f01c1c516$9e68b860$6401a8c0@cd708596a> I'm not likely to be at Langley on 8 June, but if I was I would like to see Van's RV-9 demo aircraft. I'm building an RV-6A - so I don't think I'm biased on this ! Cheers, Jim Oke Wpg., MB RV-3 C-FIZM - flies occasionally RV-6A C-???? - heavy tinkering going on. > > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Tedd McHenry wrote: > > > > > > > As you probably know, Van's is sending a rep to the Langley RV > > > Fly-in (June 8). > > > > We don't yet know which airplane they'll bring, and indeed they > > > don't yet know > > > > themselves. I can't guarantee they'll bring what we ask for, > > > but I thought I'd > > > > survey the members to see which factory RV you'd most like to > > > see, and forward > > > > the result to Van's. > > > > > > > > If you don't expect to attend, please don't reply. But if you do, and > > > > especially if you're still making up your mind which plane to > > > build, please let > > > > me know which one you'd most like to see. So far as I know, > > > the options are: > > > > -7, -8, -9A, and maybe -9. > > > > > > > > No, the -10 won't be ready! > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Tedd McHenry > > > > Van's Air Force > > > > Western Canada Wing > > > > tedd@vansairforce.org > > > > www.vansairforce.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wing mailing list > > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wing mailing list > > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wing mailing list > > Wing@vansairforce.org > > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing From tedd at vansairforce.org Wed Mar 6 11:00:27 2002 From: tedd at vansairforce.org (Tedd McHenry) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:17 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: <3C85AA12.84224EEC@telus.net> Message-ID: Okay, the introduction of the RV-9 has muddied the waters somewhat. Initially, the -7 had a strong lead in the poll. But the recently "leaked" news of the -9 spawned a flurry of interest. The -9 and -9A together have garnered 6 votes--three each--to the -7's 5. By my count, that still puts the -7 ahead, since we're counting individual airplanes here, not basic types. Any -9A supporters want to change their vote to the -9? Any new votes? --- Tedd McHenry Van's Air Force Western Canada Wing tedd@vansairforce.org www.vansairforce.org From ham at hammcc.com Wed Mar 6 14:52:50 2002 From: ham at hammcc.com (Hamilton McClymont) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:17 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 9 Hammy 604-241-2480 414-302-6650 (til March 15) http://www.hammcc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: wing-admin@vansairforce.org [mailto:wing-admin@vansairforce.org]On > Behalf Of Tedd McHenry > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:00 AM > To: wing@vansairforce.org > Subject: Re: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in > > > Okay, the introduction of the RV-9 has muddied the waters > somewhat. Initially, > the -7 had a strong lead in the poll. But the recently "leaked" > news of the -9 > spawned a flurry of interest. The -9 and -9A together have garnered 6 > votes--three each--to the -7's 5. By my count, that still puts > the -7 ahead, > since we're counting individual airplanes here, not basic types. Any -9A > supporters want to change their vote to the -9? Any new votes? > > --- > > Tedd McHenry > Van's Air Force > Western Canada Wing > tedd@vansairforce.org > www.vansairforce.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wing mailing list > Wing@vansairforce.org > http://vansairforce.org/mailman/listinfo/wing > From 2w at telus.net Wed Mar 6 19:11:42 2002 From: 2w at telus.net (Bill Robson) Date: Sun Jan 16 11:26:17 2005 Subject: [Wing] Van's at Langley Fly-in References: Message-ID: <000001c1c587$80ea9a80$cf20b38e@bc.hsia.telus.net> Yes, I would like to see either a 9A or a 9, haven't seen one yet. The 7 is old news it has been around for a year